Let's be honest, CFB system is not being fair on Tennessee

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I have gotten into debates on threads.

Who wins at Athens?

Ohio State? Michigan? LSU? TCU? USC? Clemson?

Everyone is citing Tennessee's out for a loss that none of these teams likely pull out as well. The simple fact that we have Georgia on our schedule and in our division hampers us. Give Tennessee Ohio State's schedule and we are 10-0 right now and in top 4 of CFP rankings. Is it really fair to dock us? Why should LSU pass us if they beat Georgia when we beat them and they also lost to FSU?

If Tennessee was called "Alabama" right now, we would be a lock for the Playoffs.
 
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I have gotten into debates on threads.

Who wins at Athens?

Ohio State? Michigan? LSU? TCU? USC? Clemson?

Everyone is citing Tennessee's out for a loss that none of these teams likely pull out as well. The simple fact that we have Georgia on our schedule and in our division hampers us. Give Tennessee Ohio State's schedule and we are 10-0 right now and in top 4 of CFP rankings. Is it really fair to dock us? Why should LSU pass us if they beat Georgia when we beat them and they also lost to FSU?

If Tennessee was called "Alabama" right now, we would be a lock for the Playoffs.
Best way to win it all is to win them all.
 
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I have gotten into debates on threads.

Who wins at Athens?

Ohio State? Michigan? LSU? TCU? USC? Clemson?

Everyone is citing Tennessee's out for a loss that none of these teams likely pull out as well. The simple fact that we have Georgia on our schedule and in our division hampers us. Give Tennessee Ohio State's schedule and we are 10-0 right now and in top 4 of CFP rankings. Is it really fair to dock us? Why should LSU pass us if they beat Georgia when we beat them and they also lost to FSU?

If Tennessee was called "Alabama" right now, we would be a lock for the Playoffs.

They almost never get the best 4 teams. Was Cincinnati really the 4th best team last year? If we get left out, that ok because the SEC meatgrinder is a playoff more or less. We wouldn't be the first 1 loss SEC team left out.
 
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Here is the thing...CFP committee needs to get it right at the end of the season...interim rankings really mean little. Let's make sure we win out, then see what happens.

I have a hard time believing an 11-1 TN (with large margin victories over SC and Vandy) would be left out--no matter what happens.

In the meantime, being #5 right now is fine....if we take care of business, should be in top 4, and that is all that matters.

No need to worry at this point. Heck, we even have many mouths at ESPN say that we are in if we win out...and ESPN usually hates to say anything positive about UT....

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I think the Vols are in good shape. The only team that I believe could jump us is USC if they win out and are a 1 loss team with a conference championship. But I'm not sure even they could jump over us as long as UGA takes care of its business (odd thing to say I know).
 
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I have gotten into debates on threads.

Who wins at Athens?

Ohio State? Michigan? LSU? TCU? USC? Clemson?

Everyone is citing Tennessee's out for a loss that none of these teams likely pull out as well. The simple fact that we have Georgia on our schedule and in our division hampers us. Give Tennessee Ohio State's schedule and we are 10-0 right now and in top 4 of CFP rankings. Is it really fair to dock us? Why should LSU pass us if they beat Georgia when we beat them and they also lost to FSU?

If Tennessee was called "Alabama" right now, we would be a lock for the Playoffs.
Most people are saying we are in great position. When you lose, you lose control of your own destiny, that's just a fact. People forget that Alabama needed undefeated Wisconsin to lose in the B1G championship on the last weekend of the season to get in one year. That was the year they went 11-1 and didn't win their division. Let it play out. There has always been some luck required to win the national championship.
 
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Here is the thing...CFP committee needs to get it right at the end of the season...interim rankings really mean little. Let's make sure we win out, then see what happens.

I have a hard time believing an 11-1 TN (with large margin victories over SC and Vandy) would be left out--no matter what happens.

In the meantime, being #5 right now is fine....if we take care of business, should be in top 4, and that is all that matters.

No need to worry at this point. Heck, we even have many mouths at ESPN say that we are in if we win out...and ESPN usually hates to say anything positive about UT....

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It would be difficult to believe that a team that is at #5 in the 2nd playoff rankings, then doesn't lose again, doesn't make it in.
 
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There are some tough tests for the top 4 coming up, including one team with a guaranteed loss (Mich/OSU). We need to root for Georgia in the SEC championship game. The media will always be pushing the latest trendy west coast paper tiger (currently USC, was Oregon) but if Tennessee takes care of business they're most likely in.
 
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I have gotten into debates on threads.

Who wins at Athens?

Ohio State? Michigan? LSU? TCU? USC? Clemson?

Everyone is citing Tennessee's out for a loss that none of these teams likely pull out as well. The simple fact that we have Georgia on our schedule and in our division hampers us. Give Tennessee Ohio State's schedule and we are 10-0 right now and in top 4 of CFP rankings. Is it really fair to dock us? Why should LSU pass us if they beat Georgia when we beat them and they also lost to FSU?

If Tennessee was called "Alabama" right now, we would be a lock for the Playoffs.
Tad premature IMO. We have a loss. OSU doesn't. LSU hasn't passed us. Right now we are where our record put us. Talkin' heads are paid to stir the pot and generate discussion. Rankings today don't mean much just like "respect" from preseason polls. Look at where we were ranked to start the season and where we are now. Season will play out and when the dust settles, we'll see if your concern/complaint is valid. Right now I have no complaints with the rankings. To borrow a phrase...you are what your record says you are.
 
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Most people are saying we are in great position. When you lose, you lose control of your own destiny, that's just a fact. People forget that Alabama needed undefeated Wisconsin to lose in the B1G championship on the last weekend of the season to get in one year. That was the year they went 11-1 and didn't win their division. Let it play out. There has always been some luck required to win the national championship.
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Let's just see how it plays out before we start crying about it. They haven't put the OSU/Michigan loser in front of us and they haven't moved USC or LSU in front of us. Those things would be unfair if it became real, but right now it's nothing more than an nightmare.
 
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I think the Vols are in good shape. The only team that I believe could jump us is USC if they win out and are a 1 loss team with a conference championship. But I'm not sure even they could jump over us as long as UGA takes care of its business (odd thing to say I know).

USC would very likely jump us because their strength of schedule will improve greatly if they win these last three games, and the committee would love to get the west coast audience with a blue blood (at least they used to be) that's about to jump to the Big 10.
 
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I have gotten into debates on threads.

Who wins at Athens?

Ohio State? Michigan? LSU? TCU? USC? Clemson?

Everyone is citing Tennessee's out for a loss that none of these teams likely pull out as well. The simple fact that we have Georgia on our schedule and in our division hampers us. Give Tennessee Ohio State's schedule and we are 10-0 right now and in top 4 of CFP rankings. Is it really fair to dock us? Why should LSU pass us if they beat Georgia when we beat them and they also lost to FSU?

If Tennessee was called "Alabama" right now, we would be a lock for the Playoffs.
It's perfectly fair. Are you drunk?
 
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I’m fine with where we are, but my concern is it seems like a new team every week is going to knock us out. If that team gets beat then there is a new team that will knock us out. They will have Nevada St community college knocking us out soon.
 
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So if LSU were to win the SECCG and get into the CFP, they would be the first two loss team to do so. They lost to a (at the time) weak FSU, and got boatraced at home.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 
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I’m fine with where we are, but my concern is it seems like a new team every week is going to knock us out. If that team gets beat then there is a new team that will knock us out. They will have Nevada St community college knocking us out soon.
That should make you more comfortable... There HAS to be a storyline (from CBS, FOX, & ESPN's perspective) to draw in viewers. They are going to say things and write things to generate interest, but that does NOT mean the things they say and write are correct or true.

Until the CFP Committee gives us a reason to be concerned, I'm not concerned.
 
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I actually think the CFB playoff people have been very fair. They made us #1 based on our record even though most analysts and models had our chances of beating Georgia in Athens at like 20%.

It was the right call I think since Georgia had only really beaten Oregon in the first game of the season and had been somewhat unprepared against a couple of weaker opponents until they had to take them seriously, which to their credit they were able to find what it took to win anyway.

Do we probably beat TCU on any given Saturday? Yeah, I think so, but they are still undefeated and have won a bunch of games that they weren’t expected to win, so it’s reasonable to give them the same sort of benefit until someone beats them. We may all think that we or any number of teams could do it, but so far predictions about their demise have repeatedly proven premature. So I’m ok with them being ahead of us.

Ohio State and Michigan similarly haven’t messed up yet, and while they haven’t had as many tough games as TCU or ourselves, they are generally considered fairly strong and furthermore we know one of them is going to lose a game by necessity.

All of this is to say that I think giving us #1 was logical and fair, and dropping us to #5 makes a lot of sense for too if similar logic is applied to the other unbeatens. If any unfairness is going to exist, it hasn’t happened yet, and will only emerge at the end of the regular season and probably after conference championships.

Many people are assuming they know how they will handle a 1 loss USC with a conference championship, or a 2 loss LSU with one, or a TCU that stays undefeated and wins. Before Oregon lost a game similar beliefs were felt about it. Some likewise think a 1 loss Michigan or Ohio State be given preference.

These assumptions may prove to be true, but they also may not. For one thing those teams all have games left to play, and are not guaranteed to win them, conference championships included.

We can’t control how any of those games play out, and we can’t control what the committee ends up doing in the future. Assuming they are going to do us some injustice is a waste of time.

Our own team also still has a couple of games that to handle before they are even in a position to have an injustice done. I think those games are gonna be wins of course, but stressing out at this point over things we can’t influence is just that: stress.

As fans that’s ok to have for sure, but just the sheer number of conversations going on about how things are going to play out when so many variables are still in play just seems crazy to me at this point.

This is what I think are for sure:
1. We still have 2 conference games to win before we can be robbed.
2. Michigan or Ohio State will have at least one loss between them at the end of the regular season.
3. TCU does not have an easy path to going undefeated in the regular season, much less in a championship game.
4. The PAC-12 hope probably rests on USC now that Oregon is a 2 loss team, and they have to win their games too.
5. LSU is going to have to finish perfect, which includes beating Georgia to even be debatable by the committee.
6. We have been given a lot of positive media by basically everyone this year, and people like Tennessee right now. Our games are exciting.

Here is what I think we can only really guess (assuming we win out):
1. How the committee compares us to a 1 loss USC conference champ.
2. How the committee compares us to a 2 loss LSU that wins the SEC.
3. How the committee handles an OSU that loses to Michigan.
4. How the committee handles a Michigan that loses to OSU but in a hard fought game.
5. How the committee handles a TCU that pulls off the miraculous and ends undefeated.

That last one seems less a guess than others, but it’s still not for sure. There have been teams in the past go undefeated and not get the bid. Actually, didn’t that happen to UCF? I think TCU gets in almost surely if they do it, since they are ahead of us right now, but it would not out of the question for the committee to change their mind and put us in over them in the end.

In that case, who is the committee really being unfair to? If they win out and do get in I think it’s fair to give them the nod, but they could actually do that and not get in.. being robbed by us. Sure we play in the meat grinder that is the SEC but teams can only win the games they play, regardless of how strong the opposition is.

It’s reasonable to believe a weaker conference opponent who wins out would probably lose to us, but even though it might be probably true, it’s just unprovable analysis until the game is actually played. We were supposed to lose to some teams that we’ve beaten earlier in the season and others were supposed to be more challenging for us than they ended up.

We were able to show those earlier predictions wrong because we got to play those opponents. In some alternate universe where we are in another conference people might still be saying we would lose to SEC teams we beat in the current real universe and we would have no way to prove them wrong even if we were just as strong but only had played weaker opposition.

That’s why even though chances are USC or TCU isn’t as strong, the committee has to weigh that against the fact that they still might end up having a better numerical record and possible conference title, and maybe should be given a chance to see how good they actually are.
 

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