Let's Play...Explain Those Stats!

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Last 3 games... We have led by 7 and lost by a total of 24 (-45 Differential)

Outscored

UT 26 KU 19
UT 39 TAMU 32
UT 35 MSST 28

Last 3 games

First 15 Minutes
+14 (70-56)

Offensive PPM
1.56

Defensive PPM
1.24

Last 25 Mins
-38 (129-167)

Offensive PPM
1.72

Defensive PPM
2.23

Last 3 Games
-48 in FTs attempted
-33 Rebounds
6 more TOs than TOs forced


The concerning thing for me is that we are getting out to healthy leads. While initally I was quick to blame a lack of talent and inexperience, the leads and 2nd half play actually has me quite worried about coaching.

Now in no way is this an anti-Barnes post (support him all the way), just want to hear your thoughts on what is going on...
 
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zaqhhh said:
Last 3 games... We have led by 7 and lost by a total of 24 (-45 Differential)

Outscored

UT 26 KU 19
UT 39 TAMU 32
UT 35 MSST 28

Last 3 games

First 15 Minutes
+14 (70-56)

Last 25 Mins
-38 (129-167)

Last 3 Games
-48 in FTs attempted
-33 Rebounds
6 more TOs than TOs forced


The concerning thing for me is that we are getting out to healthy leads. While initally I was quick to blame a lack of talent and inexperience, the leads and 2nd half play actually has me quite worried about coaching.

Now in no way is this an anti-Barnes post, just want to hear your thoughts on what is going on...
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No depth, and no real offensive weapons
 
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Coaches adjust to the one thing we do well on offense, and then we have no options due to the poor shooting. On defense, last 3 teams have had athletic bigs that eat us for lunch
 
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It's a rebuilding year there's just not a ton of experience or talent. Maybe some of the younger guys come around by tournament time.
 
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It's like pre-1990s NCAA basketball all over again. Whichever team has the most freakishly large player to camp out under the basket will win.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Last 3 games... We have led by 7 and lost by a total of 24 (-45 Differential)

Outscored

UT 26 KU 19
UT 39 TAMU 32
UT 35 MSST 28

Last 3 games

First 15 Minutes
+14 (70-56)

Offensive PPM
1.56

Defensive PPM
1.24

Last 25 Mins
-38 (129-167)

Offensive PPM
1.72

Defensive PPM
2.23

Last 3 Games
-48 in FTs attempted
-33 Rebounds
6 more TOs than TOs forced


The concerning thing for me is that we are getting out to healthy leads. While initally I was quick to blame a lack of talent and inexperience, the leads and 2nd half play actually has me quite worried about coaching.

Now in no way is this an anti-Barnes post (support him all the way), just want to hear your thoughts on what is going on...
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Also outshot at the FT by 14+ in the last 3 games.
 
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The one thing you do defensively and you will get beat every time is to allow penetration for easy buckets. Miss State shot over 70% in the second half with nearly everything within 5 feet of the basket. When this happens, I'm going zone. They went zone once and got carved up, but that was the only time, I think. I know Barnes is not a big advocate of the zone and probably doesn't practice it a lot, but stop the easy buckets.
 
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cardvolfan said:
The one thing you do defensively and you will get beat every time is to allow penetration for easy buckets. Miss State shot over 70% in the second half with nearly everything within 5 feet of the basket. When this happens, I'm going zone. They went zone once and got carved up, but that was the only time, I think. I know Barnes is not a big advocate of the zone and probably doesn't practice it a lot, but stop the easy buckets.
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I guess this is part of my concern too, if you ask Texas fans about Barnes. You will hear that he coaches fundamentally sound (which we are not due to circumstances) teams but they tend to be easy to figure out and unadaptable (see early NCAA exits). Clearly, we have problems galore. I am just wondering how much of that is on Barnes. He is a great coach, but he needs to make some changes imo. Integrating the zone more is one of them.
 
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zaqhhh said:
I guess this is part of my concern too, if you ask Texas fans about Barnes. You will hear that he coaches fundamentally sound (which we are not due to circumstances) teams but they tend to be easy to figure out and unadaptable (see early NCAA exits). Clearly, we have problems galore. I am just wondering how much of that is on Barnes. He is a great coach, but he needs to make some changes imo. Integrating the zone more is one of them.
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I didn’t see this happen last year much, so I think a lot of it is our current player set. Should hopefully be fixed next year
 
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I doubt the cause is conditioning. And it's not like we have one master game scheme that gets decoded during halftime.

I'll take "Youth & Inexperience" for another month, Alex. I think right now we can't put 5 guys on the court who can as a unit adjust to their individual opponents' halftime adjustments. They just haven't yet developed a catalog of what players and teams do at this level.

If a second half team sets their screens a little differently aided by bringing the ball down the court a second faster... if a post player sets up in a slightly different position, aided by a wing moving just a couple feet further left or right... these are the nuances of adjustments at this level. We can only cheer and support them while they grind their way through SEC school, and hope they learn in time to make the final exam.
 
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cardvolfan said:
The one thing you do defensively and you will get beat every time is to allow penetration for easy buckets. Miss State shot over 70% in the second half with nearly everything within 5 feet of the basket. When this happens, I'm going zone. They went zone once and got carved up, but that was the only time, I think. I know Barnes is not a big advocate of the zone and probably doesn't practice it a lot, but stop the easy buckets.
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Thank you. I’ve been asking why CRB hasn’t used a zone more for several games. If you’re going to recruit I athletic big men, like Plavisc, you’re going to have to play a zone or take your beating in the paint. Barnes seems to like allowing other teams bigs to dominate in the paint
 
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Didn't see it. Listened. Sounds like we couldn't stay in front of Q Witherspoon. Good player. Once that happens, then it's lights out when a team also has bigs and shooters. If our defense fails, we don't have very many wins remaining on our schedule.
 
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livefaith said:
Didn't see it. Listened. Sounds like we couldn't stay in front of Q Witherspoon. Good player. Once that happens, then it's lights out when a team also has bigs and shooters. If our defense fails, we don't have very many wins remaining on our schedule.
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Q got drafted. It’s his brother.
 
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Foul trouble was huge at Kansas and especially today.

We were called for 5 fouls the first 4 minutes of the Second half today and then completely lost any chance to guard them after that when our main guys all had 3 fouls
 
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zaqhhh said:
Last 3 games... We have led by 7 and lost by a total of 24 (-45 Differential)

Outscored

UT 26 KU 19
UT 39 TAMU 32
UT 35 MSST 28

Last 3 games

First 15 Minutes
+14 (70-56)

Offensive PPM
1.56

Defensive PPM
1.24

Last 25 Mins
-38 (129-167)

Offensive PPM
1.72

Defensive PPM
2.23

Last 3 Games
-48 in FTs attempted
-33 Rebounds
6 more TOs than TOs forced


The concerning thing for me is that we are getting out to healthy leads. While initally I was quick to blame a lack of talent and inexperience, the leads and 2nd half play actually has me quite worried about coaching.

Now in no way is this an anti-Barnes post (support him all the way), just want to hear your thoughts on what is going on...
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I think you see a team that lacks experience and quality depth, especially in the paint, that does a good job of staying competitive early vs most teams, but struggles to sustain the energy and discipline to stay competitive for 40 minutes. You see it all over college basketball.

Specifically today, we allowed MSU to shoot 57% from the field, we got outrebounded by 12, and our top 3 scorers decided to not show up. Not a great formula for success. We don't defend the paint and we don't attack the paint, offensively, which explains the massive FT differential. This team is just a wreck, right now, unfortunately.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think you see a team that lacks experience and quality depth, especially in the paint, that does a good job of staying competitive early vs most teams, but struggles to sustain the energy and discipline to stay competitive for 40 minutes. You see it all over college basketball.

Specifically today, we allowed MSU to shoot 57% from the field, we got outrebounded by 12, and our top 3 scorers decided to not show up. Not a great formula for success. We don't defend the paint and we don't attack the paint, offensively, which explains the massive FT differential. This team is just a wreck, right now, unfortunately.
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I think getting outrebounded so bad today was a product of them shooting so much better than us; we were about even on offensive rebounds.
 
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One of our posters said this team could literally beat any team or lose to any team. Lol the second part of that is true, not the first. Next year, we will be back (a UT fan memory line) but this is truly a year to get our guys up to at least par and ready for a run here soon.
 
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Very poor roster for a HOF coach’s 5 yr. And while a lot of talent is coming in next year, they’re a lot of the same type player, guards & wings.
 
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It has just been an odd year. We have had to reinvent ourselves several times this year, with Turner, who was clearly our leader on and off the court having to protect his future, and adding Vescovi and Plavsic so late. Given this we should expect inconsistent play.

Half glass full, Fulkerson’s and Pons’ development (proving once again Barnes can coach) has been very positive although they both are probably both better suited for the 4, given Fulkerson’s lack of girth/strength and Pons, lack of ball handling/perimeter skills. Vescovi, despite some limitations, shows some savvy, will be a contributor for years, and can become a very good college player. Plavsic has some low post skills offensively....that is it at this point, but he isn’t a stiff and has some upside. James is coachable, has the body, is versatile, and has obvious skills, but is unselfish to a fault. Everyone else, Nkamhoua, Gaines, Pember, are in over the heads at this point but will improve and may develop some consistent roles off the bench next year. Jalen Johnson is even playing better than he has in his career, but I still wonder if he may be better served at a lower level school.

UT program at this point, simply can‘t lose so many quality players and expect to reload. With the class coming in next year, we may get a few steps closer. Next year we will be loaded at 3 positions...2, 3, and 4. Will be interested in how good Bailey is with his experience and hope he is a knock down perimeter shooter. Definitely need another big, be it Caldwell or a grad transfer.
 
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Mostly second string players from last year.. no go to leader for scoring. In Mississippi
State game Bowden did not take a shot until midway second half. basically a good defensive team, a bad rebounding team,
a very poor offensive team both field goal percentage and 3 point percentage, too many turnovers. With poor scoring from bench
and too many minutes for the starters, this team will run out of gas in second half- a la Mississippi State 58 points. Barnes should play players
who will be most helpful next year (Vescovi, Playsic, Johnson) as much as possible.
 
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#25
Coach Barnes has just about tried everything to get this team to gel...just isn't happening for a full forty minutes yet...just can't seem to finish...hopefully we'll get better...;)

PS. came to a conclusion yesterday...not going to say "fouls" anymore...from now on they're "calls"...he got the call, they got the call...just seems more appropriate...:p

GO VOLS!
 
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