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2011 4-3 Defense - NCAA Total Defense Ranking #28

DE-J. Smith
DT-M. Jackson
NT-D. Hood
DE-B. Martin
SLB-C. Maggitt
MLB-Austin Johnson
WLB-AJ Johnson
LCB-J. Coleman
RCB- M. Teague
SS- Brent Brewer
FS- P. Waggoner

2012 3-4 Defense - NCAA Total Defense Ranking #107

Jack-J. Smith
DE-D. Sentimore
NG-D.McCullers
DE-M. Couch
SLB-C. Maggitt
MLB-AJ Johnson
WLB-H. Lathers
LCB-J. Coleman
RCB-P. Waggoner
SS- B. Moore or B. Brewer
FS- B. Randolph

2013 4-3 Defensive Returning Players

DE- J. Smith
DT- M. Couch
NT- D. McCullers, D. Hood
DE- ?
SLB- Curt Maggitt
MLB- AJ Johnson
WLB-?
LCB- J.Coleman
RCB- ?
SS- B. Moore or Brent Brewer
FS- Brian Randolph

We return a lot of experience from a 4-3 Defense that ranked 28th in the country and then got Sunseried. In addition, a ton of guys have experience like Corey Miller, Marlon Walls, Dontavis Sapp and Eric Gordon...At the time the 2012 Depth Chart was announced LaTroy Lewis was to be Maggitt's back up(redshirted).

I think the critical thing here is that CBJ REALLY needs to get these upperclassmen to buy in. These guys are the key, they've been through coaching changes, them buying in and being able to lead the younger guys has been missing from the program the last 2 or three years.

SEC game experience is often overlooked due to stars and 40 times. Experience and buy in is why we lost to Vandy last year. Their players believed in their staff and they had SEC experience.
 
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I don't think buying into a 4-3 scheme will be a challenge. If you were perpetuating our botched abortion 3-4 defense again this year, you may have issues. Unless, you have guys that can actually teach the responsibilities. We looked as lost as Jimmy Hoffa's body on defense last year in terms of what resresponsibilities they had.
 
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JayVols said:
I don't think buying into a 4-3 scheme will be a challenge. If you were perpetuating our botched abortion 3-4 defense again this year, you may have issues. Unless, you have guys that can actually teach the responsibilities. We looked as lost as Jimmy Hoffa's body on defense last year in terms of what resresponsibilities they had.
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I agree in terms of the scheme, but it's not just that. I'll use the offensive line as an example. These guys know they are good, great even and they had a lot of respect for Pittman, their position coach. If the new coach comes in and they don't buy what he's selling, then it will be a long season, really long.

On defense, this will be the third staff in 3 years...that's a crappy spot for the players to be in and it's gonna be no small task to keep them from being skeptical.
 
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vol66 said:
2011 4-3 Defense - NCAA Total Defense Ranking #28

DE-J. Smith
DT-M. Jackson
NT-D. Hood
DE-B. Martin
SLB-C. Maggitt
MLB-Austin Johnson
WLB-AJ Johnson
LCB-J. Coleman
RCB- M. Teague
SS- Brent Brewer
FS- P. Waggoner

2012 3-4 Defense - NCAA Total Defense Ranking #107

Jack-J. Smith
DE-D. Sentimore
NG-D.McCullers
DE-M. Couch
SLB-C. Maggitt
MLB-AJ Johnson
WLB-H. Lathers
LCB-J. Coleman
RCB-P. Waggoner
SS- B. Moore or B. Brewer
FS- B. Randolph

2013 4-3 Defensive Returning Players

DE- J. Smith
DT- M. Couch
NT- D. McCullers, D. Hood
DE- ?
SLB- Curt Maggitt
MLB- AJ Johnson
WLB-?
LCB- J.Coleman
RCB- ?
SS- B. Moore or Brent Brewer
FS- Brian Randolph

We return a lot of experience from a 4-3 Defense that ranked 28th in the country and then got Sunseried. In addition, a ton of guys have experience like Corey Miller, Marlon Walls, Dontavis Sapp and Eric Gordon...At the time the 2012 Depth Chart was announced LaTroy Lewis was to be Maggitt's back up(redshirted).

I think the critical thing here is that CBJ REALLY needs to get these upperclassmen to buy in. These guys are the key, they've been through coaching changes, them buying in and being able to lead the younger guys has been missing from the program the last 2 or three years.

SEC game experience is often overlooked due to stars and 40 times. Experience and buy in is why we lost to Vandy last year. Their players believed in their staff and they had SEC experience.
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I would say that Brewer or Maybin will start at OLB and that McNeil and Randolph will be the starting safeties.
 
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That is a challenge every coach must face even with new recruits coming in each year. I understand where you are coming from, but I feel that if there was any bitterness that would be destructive to the team, they would have left the program by now. Sure, some guys may miss certain coaches they had a connection with. That's human nature. New connections will be made and time will help heal this, too. These guys are playing big time D-I ball. They realize it's a business. There are many other issues on our D that are of much more concern to me right now.
 
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tallyho said:
I would say that Brewer or Maybin will start at OLB and that McNeil and Randolph will be the starting safeties.
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It sounded like Maybin is gonna be tried at Safety, just going on what the coaches have said during the recruiting celebration.

The real gist of my post was that several guys from the 2011 team played in the 4-3, as very young players and had good success. We're basically looking for a few additions just to maintain that level and it's on the roster now. This is a stark contrast to what Dooley inherited. We can be a good defense this year, in large part, because we have experience.
 
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JayVols said:
That is a challenge every coach must face even with new recruits coming in each year. I understand where you are coming from, but I feel that if there was any bitterness that would be destructive to the team, they would have left the program by now. Sure, some guys may miss certain coaches they had a connection with. That's human nature. New connections will be made and time will help heal this, too. These guys are playing big time D-I ball. They realize it's a business. There are many other issues on our D that are of much more concern to me right now.
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What are those concerns, besides speed...I have a theory about why we looked so slow last year.
 
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vol66 said:
What are those concerns, besides speed...I have a theory about why we looked so slow last year.
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Speed and depth. We are thinner than the Olsen twins in spots.

I question our football intelligence at times too. I don't know if that's a product of the players or the level of suck that was Sal Sunseri.
 
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I think Brewer and Sapp will fill that WLB spot.

I also think people will be amazed at the improvement in the D... about 2 TD's per game worth.
 
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JayVols said:
Speed and depth. We are thinner than the Olsen twins in spots.

I question our football intelligence at times too. I don't know if that's a product of the players or the level of suck that was Sal Sunseri.
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I think they're thin at OLB but am curious to see what happens when guys like King aren't asked to play at uncomfortably heavy weights.
 
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We're definitley short at DE, I'll admit that and maybe in terms of quality depth at LB...so yes injuries there would leave us in a bad spot. I have high hopes for Randolph this year and that would really help the back end.

As for speed, I'm gonna get laughed off the board for this but here goes. They didn't know where to go and if you don't know where to go, you think, and if you have to think, you play slow. Not to mention you're out of position and you know you can't get there so you half ass it. While I'm not up to date on every DB's 40 time coming out of high school, I can't imagine we are recruiting DB's and LB's that run 5.0 and that's what it looked like. To me, it's on the staff, because the year before the bulk of the D, didn't look that slow. Angles sucked, tackling sucked, coaching sucked.

When the players see the staff mailing it in, then they are inclined to do the same, void of leadership and that is what happened last year sans Pittman's OL and Grahams RB's.
 
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Jones and Gordon at CB
Corey Miller/Latroy Lewis DE
Probst LB with Bynum and Harris for depth

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Tennesseeduke
 
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No. Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Class Hometown/High School/Last College
1 Michael Palardy PK/P 5-11 177 SR Coral Springs, Fla./St. Thomas Aquinas
2 Alton Howard WR 5-8 185 SO Orlando, Fla./Edgewater HS
2 Michael Williams DB 5-9 176 RS SO Knoxville, Tenn./Bearden
3 Byron Moore DB 6-0 193 RS SR Carson, Calif./Narbonne/Los Angeles Harbor C.C.
3 Tyler Drummer WR 6-1 172 RS SR Powell, Tenn./Powell/Univ. of Cumberlands
4 Spencer Mackle WR 6-2 200 RS JR Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic/UT Chattanooga
4 LaTroy Lewis LB 6-4 238 RS FR Akron, Ohio/Archbishop Hoban HS
5 George Bullock PK 6-0 198 RS FR Knoxville, Tenn./West HS
5 Winston Williams WR 5-8 180 RS FR Brentwood, Tenn./Christ Presbyterian Academy
6 Vincent Dallas WR 5-11 187 JR Ellenwood, Ga./Cedar Grove
7 Drae Bowles WR 6-0 202 RS FR Jackson, Tenn./Jackson Christian HS
9 Daniel Gray DB 5-11 175 SO Lauderdale Lakes, Fla./Boyd Anderson HS
9 Sam Cranford WR 6-4 189 RS FR Nashville, Tenn./Christ Presbyterian Academy
10 Brett Parisi WR 6-2 190 RS SO Knoxville, Tenn./Bearden
12 Nathan Peterman QB 6-2 226 RS FR Fruit Cove, Fla./Bartram Trail
13 Naz Oliver DB 5-10 179 RS SR Jersey City, N.J./Saint Peter's
13 Patrick Ashford QB 6-0 201 RS SO Morristown, Tenn./Morristown West/Carson-Newman
14 Justin Worley QB 6-4 213 JR Rock Hill, S.C./Northwestern
15 Tyrin Fairman DB 5-8 180 RS SO Monmouth Junction, N.J./South Brunswick
15 Marlin Lane Jr. TB 5-11 205 JR Daytona Beach, Fla./Mainland
17 Joe Stocstill QB 6-2 220 RS FR Lewisburg, Tenn./Cornersville HS
17 Brent Brewer DB 6-1 214 SR Tyrone, Ga./Sandy Creek
18 Jason Croom WR 6-5 232 RS FR Norcross, Ga./Norcross HS
19 Tyler Coombes DB 6-0 195 RS JR Lebanon, Tenn./Wilson Central
19 Devrin Young TB 5-8 172 JR Knoxville, Tenn./Bearden
20 Rajion Neal TB 5-11 211 SR Fayetteville, Ga./Sandy Creek
21 Riyahd Jones DB 186 JR Columbus, Ga./Carver/Georgia Southern/Garden City C.C.
22 Reggie Juin TB 5-7 171 RS SR Conyers, Ga./Heritage/Tusculum
24 Deanthonie Summerhill TB 5-9 201 RS JR Tuscumbia, Ala./Deshler
24 Eric Gordon DB 5-9 190 RS SR Nashville, Tenn./Hillsboro
26 Geraldo Orta DB 6-0 179 RS SO Valdosta, Ga./Lowndes
27 Justin Coleman DB 5-10 182 JR Brunswick, Ga./Brunswick
28 Lemond Johnson ATH 6-1 190 FR Cooper City, Fla./Cooper City
29 Tom Smith TB 5-11 213 RS SO Apopka, Fla./Apopka
30 Alden Hill TB 6-2 217 RS FR Alliance, Ohio/Marlington HS
30 Max Arnold DB 5-11 186 RS SO McKenzie, Tenn./McKenzie
31 Tino Thomas DB 6-0 199 RS FR Memphis, Tenn./Melrose
33 LaDarrell McNeil DB 6-1 195 SO Dallas, Texas/Wilmer-Hutchins HS
34 Jalen Reeves-Maybin ATH 6-1 200 FR Clarksville, Tenn./Northeast
35 David Page TE 6-5 220 RS FR Franklin, Tenn./Franklin
35 Jaron Toney DB 5-10 188 RS JR Alcoa, Tenn./Alcoa
36 Cody Blanc WR 6-3 202 SO Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Central
36 Ryan Ault P/PK 5-11 190 RS FR Brentwood, Tenn./Brentwood
37 Brian Randolph DB 6-0 195 JR Marietta, Ga./Kell
38 Nikolay Timoshchuk LB 6-1 235 RS FR Chattanooga, Tenn./Chattanooga Central
38 Justin King FB 6-2 225 SO Dunwoody, Ga./Dunwoody HS
39 Michael Cantwell LB 5-11 208 RS SO Morristown, Tenn./West
40 Alex Ellis TE 6-4 222 RS SO Del Mar, Del./Del Mar
40 Raiques Crump LB 6-1 218 SR Birmingham, Ala./Minor
41 Dontavis Sapp LB 6-2 224 SR Valdosta, Ga./Valdosta
42 Derrick Brodus PK/P 5-11 188 RS JR Maryville, Tenn./Alcoa
42 Charles Folger TE 6-4 225 RS FR Augusta, Ga./Lincoln County HS
43 Matt Darr P 6-1 213 RS JR Bakersfield, Calif./Frontier HS
43 Dakota Summers TE 6-3 235 RS JR Camden, Tenn./Central
44 Maurice Couch DL 6-2 299 RS SR Orlando, Fla./Orlando Edgewater/Garden City C.C.
45 A.J. Johnson LB 6-2 240 JR Gainesville, Ga./Gainesville
45 Austin Bolen FB 5-11 211 RS SR Knoxville, Tenn./Farragut
46 Channing Fugate LB 6-1 239 SR Jackson, Ky./Breathitt County
47 John Propst LB 6-0 225 SR Hoover, Ala./Hoover
48 Greg King LB 6-2 239 RS SR Memphis, Tenn./Melrose
48 Ryeon Wedley FB 5-9 220 RS FR Humboldt, Tenn./Humboldt
50 Corey Vereen LB 6-2 230 FR Winter Garden, Fla./West Orange
51 Kenny Bynum LB 6-1 246 RS FR Jacksonville, Fla./Raines HS
52 Christian Harris LB 6-1 226 RS SO Woodstock, Ga./Etowah
53 J.R. Carr DS 5-10 224 RS SR Lomita, Calif./South Torrance
53 Justin Thomas LB 6-0 225 RS FR Richmond, Va./Central Virginia Home School
54 Jordan Williams DL 6-5 256 JR Gainesville, Fla./Gainesville
55 Jacques Smith DE 6-2 244 SR Ooltewah, Tenn./Ooltewah
56 Curt Maggitt LB 6-3 240 JR West Palm Beach, Fla./Dwyer
57 Andrew Henry DS 6-2 212 RS SO Gallatin, Tenn./Station Camp
57 Mack Crowder OL 6-2 283 RS SO Bristol, Tenn./Tennessee HS
58 Marlon Walls DL 6-2 285 RS SR Olive Branch, Miss./Olive Branch/Hargrave Military Academy
59 Gregory Grieco LB 5-10 220 RS JR Knoxville, Tenn./Farragut
59 Matt Giampapa DS 6-0 239 RS SO Jackson, Tenn./Univ. School of Jackson/Michigan State
64 James Stone OL 6-3 300 SR Nashville, Tenn./Maplewood
65 Jacob Gilliam OL 6-4 287 RS JR Knoxville, Tenn./Farragut
66 Marques Pair OL 6-5 321 RS JR Sumter, S.C./Sumter
67 Alan Posey OL 6-5 321 RS SO Smithonia, Ga./Clarke Central
68 Marcus Jackson OL 6-2 310 JR Vero Beach, Fla./Vero Beach
69 Allan Carson DL 6-1 323 RS SO Oxford, Ala./Oxford
70 Ja'Wuan James OL 6-6 323 SR Suwanee, Ga./North Gwinnett
72 Zach Fulton OL 6-5 324 SR Homewood, Ill./Homewood-Flossmoor
74 Antonio Richardson OL 6-6 332 JR Nashville, Tenn./Pearl-Cohn
75 Isaac Mobley OL 6-1 320 RS SO Knoxville, Tenn./West
76 John Simcox OL 6-2 270 RS FR Kingsport, Tenn./Sullivan Central
77 Kyler Kerbyson OL 6-4 320 RS SO Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic
78 Alex Bullard OL 6-2 300 RS SR Franklin, Tenn./Brentwood Academy/Notre Dame
79 Brock Collier OL 6-2 268 RS JR Joelton, Tenn./Brentwood Academy
80 Dylan West WR 6-1 186 RS JR Oneida, Tenn./Oneida
80 Corey Miller DL 6-3 257 SR Wellford, S.C./Byrnes
81 Paul Harris WR 6-4 195 FR Accokeek, Md./Frederick Douglass
82 Justin Meredith TE 6-5 223 RS FR Anderson, S.C./T.L. Hanna H.S.
85 Brendan Downs TE 6-5 254 JR Bristol, Tenn./Tennessee HS
87 Jacob Carter WR 6-0 180 RS JR Nashville, Tenn./Ensworth
88 Joseph Ayres TE 6-3 273 RS SR Knoxville, Tenn./Chattanooga McCallie
93 Gregory Clark DL 6-2 323 RS JR Warner Robins, Ga./Northside HS
95 Danny O'Brien DL 6-2 304 RS FR Flint, Mich./Powers Catholic HS
96 Trevarris Saulsberry DL 6-4 285 RS SO Gainesville, Fla./Gainesville
97 Daniel Hood DL 6-4 292 RS SR Knoxville, Tenn./Knoxville Catholic
98 Daniel McCullers DL 6-8 360 SR Raleigh, N.C./Southeast Raleigh HS/Georgia Military Academy

I like the last 6 on the list!
Plus the 15 we just signed plus 4 preferred walkons.

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Tennesseeduke
 
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J. Smith - 37 games played in.
B. Brewer - 33
D. Hood - 30
C. Maggitt - 20
AJ Johnson 24
J. Coleman - 24
M. Couch - 24
D. McCullers - 12

Saban always talks about being strong up the middle of the field, on both sides of the ball and this year will be the best we've been in some years on both sides. Randolph getting hurt was a big loss.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Jones and Gordon at CB
Corey Miller/Latroy Lewis DE
Probst LB with Bynum and Harris for depth

:eek:k:

Tennesseeduke
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Man, I can't tell ya how much I'd like to see Probst do something. Lewis was right there on Maggitt's heels last year and I agree Bynum should be a producer.
 
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vol66 said:
As for speed, I'm gonna get laughed off the board for this but here goes. They didn't know where to go and if you don't know where to go, you think, and if you have to think, you play slow. Not to mention you're out of position and you know you can't get there so you half ass it. While I'm not up to date on every DB's 40 time coming out of high school, I can't imagine we are recruiting DB's and LB's that run 5.0 and that's what it looked like. To me, it's on the staff, because the year before the bulk of the D, didn't look that slow. Angles sucked, tackling sucked, coaching sucked.

When the players see the staff mailing it in, then they are inclined to do the same, void of leadership and that is what happened last year sans Pittman's OL and Grahams RB's.
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Nothing to laugh at. Being usure causes hesitation which causes slow play. That aspect could help, but the image seared into my mind is a Vandy receiver absolutely smoking our secondary on a hitch last year. Sure, we had packed it in, especially some staff, but day-um. That was embarrassing how bad we got torched on that play.
 
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vol66 said:
J. Smith - 37 games played in.
B. Brewer - 33
D. Hood - 30
C. Maggitt - 20
AJ Johnson 24
J. Coleman - 24
M. Couch - 24
D. McCullers - 12

Saban always talks about being strong up the middle of the field, on both sides of the ball and this year will be the best we've been in some years on both sides. Randolph getting hurt was a big loss.
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All success in football, defense or offense, starts by controlling the LOS, period. Like you, I feel better than I have in a while about both of our lines sans DE.

I hope Randolph recovers enough in time. I know the rehab of knee injuries has improved by leaps and bounds, but it's not foolproof. Perhaps the biggest issue is recovering from the mental trauma. Hunter looked great physically, but it was obvious that he wasn't all the way back mentally at times.
 
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JayVols said:
Nothing to laugh at. Being usure causes hesitation which causes slow play. That aspect could help, but the image seared into my mind is a Vandy receiver absolutely smoking our secondary on a hitch last year. Sure, we had packed it in, especially some staff, but day-um. That was embarrassing how bad we got torched on that play.
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It happened at least a couple times a game, but most of the time, it was done before the ball was snapped, that Gray kid, talk about lost, oof. I think he's clocked a 4.32 at at the UAA camp...looked like he was standing still, that's what I'm gettin at.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think Brewer and Sapp will fill that WLB spot.

I also think people will be amazed at the improvement in the D... about 2 TD's per game worth.
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Have they already moved Brewer to Will or even Sam backer? If not, it needs to happen. He has some lead in his pencil, but not enough speed to be an SEC strong safety. Forget about him being a free safety.
 
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vol66 said:
It happened at least a couple times a game, but most of the time, it was done before the ball was snapped, that Gray kid, talk about lost, oof. I think he's clocked a 4.32 at at the UAA camp...looked like he was standing still, that's what I'm gettin at.
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I understand what you're saying. Also there's a difference in straight line speed and being fast in your back-peddle, making proper reads, flipping your hips, and quickly getting up to speed to run with a receiver. Youth hurt in the mental aspects along with poor schemes/coaching. The best thing about freshmen is they turn into sophomores.
 
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DE - miller - think he goes beast mode his senior year
DE - maggett - he has good straight line speed like little did several years ago but not enough foot speed to play lb in the sec. He is best with a hand in the dirt trying to get to the QB
NT -mcculers - I think he plays at 330-340 next year and plays lights out
DT - couch - need him to get down to 300 and get after it as well. Expect miller to play some dot in passing downs

Dline depth - hood, j smith, walls, l Lewis,

OLB - sapp - I think this guy makes allot of plays when given a chance. I think he was simply too small for sal and therefore only played when he had to. He has speed we missed last year at lb
OLB - brewer - another player that could add significant speed to the defense at the right position. He could easily be at 230 by next year.
MLB - Johnson - sounds like he is dropping a few more pounds as well which should benefit him. He has good instincts but needs to get a little quicker to be dominant

CB - j Coleman - I think he is ready to lock down one side. He started coming on last year.
CB - grey - he has the speed and I think with another year in he program he gets the nod. Top end speed is really good and the old staff saw him as an up and comer and I think it is clear at this point that the defensive side was lost last year. Athletically this kid is special.

SS - McNeil - no question in my book. Willing tackler and played well enough as a true freshman on a poorly coached defense
FS - Randolph - if healthy he starts. If not then moore
 
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taylormadevol said:
DE - miller - think he goes beast mode his senior year
DE - maggett - he has good straight line speed like little did several years ago but not enough foot speed to play lb in the sec. He is best with a hand in the dirt trying to get to the QB
NT -mcculers - I think he plays at 330-340 next year and plays lights out
DT - couch - need him to get down to 300 and get after it as well. Expect miller to play some dot in passing downs

Dline depth - hood, j smith, walls, l Lewis,

OLB - sapp - I think this guy makes allot of plays when given a chance. I think he was simply too small for sal and therefore only played when he had to. He has speed we missed last year at lb
OLB - brewer - another player that could add significant speed to the defense at the right position. He could easily be at 230 by next year.
MLB - Johnson - sounds like he is dropping a few more pounds as well which should benefit him. He has good instincts but needs to get a little quicker to be dominant

CB - j Coleman - I think he is ready to lock down one side. He started coming on last year.
CB - grey - he has the speed and I think with another year in he program he gets the nod. Top end speed is really good and the old staff saw him as an up and comer and I think it is clear at this point that the defensive side was lost last year. Athletically this kid is special.

SS - McNeil - no question in my book. Willing tackler and played well enough as a true freshman on a poorly coached defense
FS - Randolph - if healthy he starts. If not then moore
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Strong 1st post, WELCOME ABOARD!
 
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The 4-3 doesn't have a NT. In base, you have a 3 technique on the strong side and a 1 technique on the weak side.
 
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vol66 said:
I found that interesting, but I'm just going by what the ole UT put out there in the past.

Vols release season's first depth chart | timesfreepress.com
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That lineup was for a 3-4. There is an NT in this defense.

Edit: that was from 2011, so we were running a 4-3 base, but they had multiple looks under Wilcox. The only thing I can think of is that the writer is confusing the weakside 1 technique (inside shade on offensive guard) with a 3-4 NT that can play a 0 technique (head up on center) or a weak shade on the center. It could be a variation in terminology, but I have never heard the weakside tackle in a 4-3 called a NT. If they were giving a 5 man front look, they would have a NT as well.
 
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