Let's Talk Defense

#51
#51
Other_Guy said:
There's no way a unit returning that many starters/experience goes from #28 to #107 in one year with that offense unless its coaching. So there's no doubt in my mind there will be massive improvement I'm not expecting better than 50 to start off CBJ 1st year.
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Very reasonable.
 
#53
#53
I would simply like to see someone step up in the front 7 that can actually get to the QB and get them on the ground consistently.

UT hasn't been in the top 60 in the nation in sacking the QB since 2005.

Getting a sack is one of the biggest splash plays you can get on the defensive side of the ball. You punish the QB, get the crowd into the game, and force the opponents behind schedule on down and distance usually.

Getting pressure on the QB can also greatly mask shortcomings in the secondary. I think this secondary can definitely use all the help it can get. These guys are painfully slow compared to the rest of the SEC.
 
#54
#54
JayVols said:
The 4-3 doesn't have a NT. In base, you have a 3 technique on the strong side and a 1 technique on the weak side.
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Strongside DT in a 4-3 is considered a Nt normally lined up in a 2 technique in a base 4-3....weakside DT is in a 2 in base also...DEs normally line up in 5s
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#55
#55
Vol865 said:
Strongside DT in a 4-3 is considered a Nt normally lined up in a 2 technique in a base 4-3....weakside DT is in a 2 in base also...DEs normally line up in 5s
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Not trying to be argumentative, but the base tackle alignments in a 4-3 are a 3 (strong side) and a 1(weak side). The 3 has B gap assignment and the 1 has weak A gap.
 
#56
#56
JayVols said:
Not trying to be argumentative, but the base tackle alignments in a 4-3 are a 3 (strong side) and a 1(weak side). The 3 has B gap assignment and the 1 has weak A gap.
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But that would mean an LB is on the LOS which wouldn't be base....guess I'm thinking of it from more of a Tampa 2 point of view....but I know there are different schemes and alignments
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#57
#57
Vol865 said:
But that would mean an LB is on the LOS which wouldn't be base....guess I'm thinking of it from more of a Tampa 2 point of view....but I know there are different schemes and alignments
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No LBs on LOS in a cover 2 look:

Base+invert+--+dime.PNG



Now there are variations that can give you about any alignment you want, but a straight 4-3 is a 3 & 1. I ran some cover 2 like the picture, but I preferred cover 3 and man/free.
 
#58
#58
JayVols said:
No LBs on LOS in a cover 2 look:

Base+invert+--+dime.PNG



Now there are variations that can give you about any alignment you want, but a straight 4-3 is a 3 & 1. I ran some cover 2 like the picture, but I preferred cover 3 and man/free.
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That's pretty much what I was saying is in Cover 2 LBs are about 5 yds deep.....i thought u were saying whole DL shifts is why I said there would be an LB on LOS....i wasn't saying most don't use the 3 & 1 but I've seen some teams line both DTs up in 2s....i guess in video game terms it would like 4-3 stack
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#60
#60
The bottom line is, I don't think our D can be any worse than it was last year.
 
#61
#61
Roustabout said:
Id be shocked if Jordan Williams isn't starting at end. This guy is a beast.
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I started a thread a few days ago about the line ups and depth on both sides. I feel Williams and Carr will win out the DE roles. I believe Sapp is the starting WLB, and I believe Jones and Coleman start at CB for us. I expect JRM to play lots of mins at SS and I also expect Johnson to get a lot of snaps at CB. I also expect Vereen to be in the two deep at SLB from day 1.
 
#62
#62
Vol865 said:
That's pretty much what I was saying is in Cover 2 LBs are about 5 yds deep.....i thought u were saying whole DL shifts is why I said there would be an LB on LOS....i wasn't saying most don't use the 3 & 1 but I've seen some teams line both DTs up in 2s....i guess in video game terms it would like 4-3 stack
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Gotcha. I wouldn't know anything about the video games. I've never played a football video game. I was talking about real world preferences.
 
#63
#63
vol66 said:
2011 4-3 Defense - NCAA Total Defense Ranking #28

DE-J. Smith
DT-M. Jackson
NT-D. Hood
DE-B. Martin
SLB-C. Maggitt
MLB-Austin Johnson
WLB-AJ Johnson
LCB-J. Coleman
RCB- M. Teague
SS- Brent Brewer
FS- P. Waggoner

2012 3-4 Defense - NCAA Total Defense Ranking #107

Jack-J. Smith
DE-D. Sentimore
NG-D.McCullers
DE-M. Couch
SLB-C. Maggitt
MLB-AJ Johnson
WLB-H. Lathers
LCB-J. Coleman
RCB-P. Waggoner
SS- B. Moore or B. Brewer
FS- B. Randolph

2013 4-3 Defensive Returning Players

DE- J. Smith
DT- M. Couch
NT- D. McCullers, D. Hood
DE- ?
SLB- Curt Maggitt
MLB- AJ Johnson
WLB-?
LCB- J.Coleman
RCB- ?
SS- B. Moore or Brent Brewer
FS- Brian Randolph

We return a lot of experience from a 4-3 Defense that ranked 28th in the country and then got Sunseried. In addition, a ton of guys have experience like Corey Miller, Marlon Walls, Dontavis Sapp and Eric Gordon...At the time the 2012 Depth Chart was announced LaTroy Lewis was to be Maggitt's back up(redshirted).

I think the critical thing here is that CBJ REALLY needs to get these upperclassmen to buy in. These guys are the key, they've been through coaching changes, them buying in and being able to lead the younger guys has been missing from the program the last 2 or three years.

SEC game experience is often overlooked due to stars and 40 times. Experience and buy in is why we lost to Vandy last year. Their players believed in their staff and they had SEC experience.
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I think you can put J. Williams, D. Sapp, and Lanier in those three empty spots. It could be someone else for those three players are looking good for next season.
 
#64
#64
wlb-brewer d sapp

ssde-j williams and j carr

rcb-naz oliver,t thomas,or d grey
 
#67
#67
JayVols said:
Gotcha. I wouldn't know anything about the video games. I've never played a football video game. I was talking about real world preferences.
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I know...wasnt saying I've only seen it on video games, was just my try at a quick reference

This is what I was trying to explain as 4-3 "stack" (numbers for technique):

http://www.8manfootball.com/graphics%20folder/Clev43%20folder/base.gif


They might just do it this way in short yardage or if you're expecting a run up the middle so both DTs can plug A gaps

Edit: also might do this if the offense is in a balanced formation
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#69
#69
I'm not sure why so many people are eager to see Brewer start at LB or Maggit at DE. We've never seen either one of those guys play those positions at the collegiate level and I'm not sure a position change would be particularly helpful for either player.

I think most likely we see Brewer play at safety as part of a rotation and Maggit stay at LB and start if healthy.
 
#70
#70
Vol865 said:
I know...wasnt saying I've only seen it on video games, was just my try at a quick reference

This is what I was trying to explain as 4-3 "stack" (numbers for technique):

http://www.8manfootball.com/graphics folder/Clev43 folder/base.gif


They might just do it this way in short yardage or if you're expecting a run up the middle so both DTs can plug A gaps

Edit: also might do this if the offense is in a balanced formation
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Got it. Thanks.
 
#71
#71
imo,brewer is to slow to play ss and would make a better wslb.6'1"220 is the right size to be a wlb in the 4-3,i think it would be a great psition move for him.
 
#72
#72
loggervol said:
imo,brewer is to slow to play ss and would make a better wslb.6'1"220 is the right size to be a wlb in the 4-3,i think it would be a great psition move for him.
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I think he has the size, but I'm not sure if he has the mentality. He's been a career long DB, so I'm not sure it would be an easy switch for him.

That being said, if Butch and Co. think he's capable of it, then I have faith it working out. I'm skeptical that they'll have him switch.
 
#75
#75
Darth_Shiveman said:
I think he has the size, but I'm not sure if he has the mentality. He's been a career long DB, so I'm not sure it would be an easy switch for him.

That being said, if Butch and Co. think he's capable of it, then I have faith it working out. I'm skeptical that they'll have him switch.
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A bit of a "tweener"...could make a killer LB in Nickel or Dime packages and would be effective off the edge in those as well. I think that is one way Chief used Honey-Badger at LSU in nickels. Also, Saban uses different personel in passing situations. A 6ft 220lb "DB" can give us that flexability and athleticism. I would love to see him breathing down AJ Mcarrons blind side!:)
 
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