Libby Verdict

#6
#6
There's already a pro-Wilson/Plame movie in the works, why not one for the other side.
 
#7
#7
I wonder if he spills the beans on what exactly happened thus damaging the Administration more. He's already alluded to being made a scapegoat by them.
 
#9
#9
Hmmm...let him sit in jail a while and then pardon him OR go ahead and pardon him quickly....what to do.
 
#10
#10
I imagine the pressure on him to implicate Rove or even Chaney as masterminds behind the leak will be intense. That's why he may get pardoned before the ink is dry on the conviction. Or at least get promised the pardon so he doesn't go off the reservation.
 
#11
#11
I think the whole thing stinks. Plame and Wilson are equally to blame in the whole mess.
 
#12
#12
This morning the jury asked the judge for a clarification on exactly what the charges were and hours later he's guilty on 4 out of 5 counts. I don't know details, but that seems strange.
 
#15
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CSpindizzy said:
Hmmm...let him sit in jail a while and then pardon him OR go ahead and pardon him quickly....what to do.
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Protocol dictates that the initial appeal should be allowed to play out before a pardon is extended, especially if the defendant is allowed to remain free on bail during the pendancy of the apppeal. If it gets close to end of the president's term though you have to go ahead and pull the trigger, I guess.
 
#16
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lawgator1 said:
How do you figure that they are to blame for her CIA identity being leaked? Not sure I understand you.
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Here's the short version - the leak was an attempt to rebut what was essentially a false story presented by Wilson. The press was digging furiously to find out why Cheney would send Wilson. The answer, Cheney didn't send him, the only reason he was sent was because his wife arranged it. How? she's a CIA employee.

The outrage seems to be that the Whitehouse was defaming a critic.

I'm equally outraged that a war critic (Plame) arranged for her husband to go to Niger with the suggestion that the claims of Yellowcake were false (see the Senate Report on pre-war intelligence for details on her biases and choice of husband). To compound matters, Wilson lied about his findings, what the Whitehouse did with his findings and why he was sent. Hmmm, he's also a consultant for the Kerry camp.

This is bad behavior on both sides. Plame/Wilson set up to discredit the Whitehouse case for war, Whitehouse set to discredit Wilson.
 
#17
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lawgator1 said:
How do you figure that they are to blame for her CIA identity being leaked? Not sure I understand you.
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There's been plenty of unbaised reports stating that she was well known to throw around her CIA credentials in order to get invites to D.C. social events. It wasn't like her status was a big secret that anyone who really wanted to know could not have found out about. Also, she was a desk jockey analyst, not a field agent. No harm, no foul IMO.
 
#18
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volinbham said:
Here's the short version - the leak was an attempt to rebut what was essentially a false story presented by Wilson. The press was digging furiously to find out why Cheney would send Wilson. The answer, Cheney didn't send him, the only reason he was sent was because his wife arranged it. How? she's a CIA employee.

The outrage seems to be that the Whitehouse was defaming a critic.

I'm equally outraged that a war critic (Plame) arranged for her husband to go to Niger with the suggestion that the claims of Yellowcake were false (see the Senate Report on pre-war intelligence for details on her biases and choice of husband). To compound matters, Wilson lied about his findings, what the Whitehouse did with his findings and why he was sent. Hmmm, he's also a consultant for the Kerry camp.

This is bad behavior on both sides. Plame/Wilson set up to discredit the Whitehouse case for war, Whitehouse set to discredit Wilson.
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Even if you are correct that Plame should not have invited her husband along on that trip, it hardly seems to excuse the administration targeting them and avenging the criticism over the WMD falsehoods.

Seems to me to generally be accepted by everyone at this point that in fact the motivation for the leak was retaliatory. It may not have damaged national security in any substantial way, but it is hipocritical of the administreation to take this "for us or against us" mentality and then expose a top secret status for political purposes.

I can't remember which writer it was, but back when it looked like Cheney might testify at the Libby trial he said he was going to camp out overnight to get tickets becuase he wanted to see the smoke rise from Cheney's hand when he put it on the Bible to be sworn in.
 
#19
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lawgator1 said:
Even if you are correct that Plame should not have invited her husband along on that trip, it hardly seems to excuse the administration targeting them and avenging the criticism over the WMD falsehoods.

Seems to me to generally be accepted by everyone at this point that in fact the motivation for the leak was retaliatory. It may not have damaged national security in any substantial way, but it is hipocritical of the administreation to take this "for us or against us" mentality and then expose a top secret status for political purposes.

I can't remember which writer it was, but back when it looked like Cheney might testify at the Libby trial he said he was going to camp out overnight to get tickets becuase he wanted to see the smoke rise from Cheney's hand when he put it on the Bible to be sworn in.
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I think the public has the right to know that Wilson was misrepresenting himself - Cheney did not send him. His report was not ignored by the Whitehouse (he didn't right one). His findings didn't discredit the nuke intelligence - the CIA claims his oral report of his trip actually lent support (if anything).

I in no way condone the leak. However, I'm troubled that Wilson was sent with a pre-established agenda - to discredit the intel. When his findings failed to do that, he exaggerated them, lied about them and misrepresented them (his words are that he used "artistic license"). Worse yet, Wilson did these things while trying to get Kerry elected (and on the payroll).

This is one member of the government (Plame) attempting to discredit another (Whitehouse). They were both operating to achieve political advantage in unsavory ways if you ask me.
 
#22
#22
People are sent all over to discredit certain things. Even one agency itself will do something to discredit someone else. This is a daily occurence in DC. The fact is that Plame and Wilson did nothing legally wrong and Libby did. In the eyes of the law, Libby got what he deserved and in the eyes of America Wilson and Plame got what they deserved.
 
#23
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CSpindizzy said:
People are sent all over to discredit certain things. Even one agency itself will do something to discredit someone else. This is a daily occurence in DC. The fact is that Plame and Wilson did nothing legally wrong and Libby did. In the eyes of the law, Libby got what he deserved and in the eyes of America Wilson and Plame got what they deserved.
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CS, if I acknowledge that your avatar really bugs me, will you deem it missioned accomplished and change it? I offer to do this as a sacrifice on my part for the benefit of all mankind.
 
#24
#24
I will change it IF you can find the picture of Urban crying. I find that one more to my liking.
 
#25
#25
And proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" does entitle me to the benefit of a backpedal in a future point in time of my choosing....because I could be wrong and have to say the mission was not accomplished after all.....
 
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