Libertarian Paradise!

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For every situation like that, I can give you a situation where too much government involvement has resulted in just as harsh conditions. What's your point? I think the stink raised by people like Glenn Beck is just a bunch of fear-mongering, but let's face it, the US government isn't the most efficient entity in the world.
 
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wbailey7 said:
For every situation like that, I can give you a situation where too much government involvement has resulted in just as harsh conditions. What's your point? I think the stink raised by people like Glenn Beck is just a bunch of fear-mongering, but let's face it, the US government isn't the most efficient entity in the world.
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My point: humor with a hint of truth.

As for situations where too much government leads to harsh conditions, that doesn't seem to be a good analogy. In cases of too much government, it can be too much in certain ways, too much of the wrong kind, or too much by bad people. In cases of very little to no government, you could say that they needed more in some areas, but you could not say, inversely, that they had a wrong kind of nothingness.......
 
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I don't know of a single libertarian that advocates so little government that it borders on anarchy. Neal Boortz is a strong advocate of a federal government that adheres to it's Constitutionally mandated limitations.
 
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The video is meant to mock those libertarians who do find government intervention to be the greatest evil of our time, and who do believe that, if left to our own devices, our rational self-interest will propel us towards yet unseen heights and splendor!
 
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turambar85 said:
The video is meant to mock those libertarians who do find government intervention to be the greatest evil of our time, and who do believe that, if left to our own devices, our rational self-interest will propel us towards yet unseen heights and splendor!
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you should take a Poli Sci class while you're in grad school (prob want to start with a 100 level)
 
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utvolpj said:
you should take a Poli Sci class while you're in grad school (prob want to start with a 100 level)
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Wow, let's be a jackass. I know full well the distinction between Anarchy and libertarianism. As I said in the last post (maybe you should take a reading comprehension course if you can get back into high school), the libertarians in question are, in large measure, extremists within the movement who, while they accept government, think it is an evil and the cause of many wrongs. Anarchism, if you had any clue what these terms meant you would know, means that they think government is an evil AND completely reject it in all of its forms. The distinction is there, thanks for the condescending tip, though. My advice is to be right before you show your ass.
 
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utvolpj said:
I assumed they taught the philosophical difference between types of gov't but not sure since I took racquetball instead
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They do, and most people understand that libertarians can find government a necessary evil, and want to restrict it to all varieties of minimum standards.
 
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turambar85 said:
Wow, let's be a jackass. I know full well the distinction between Anarchy and libertarianism. As I said in the last post (maybe you should take a reading comprehension course if you can get back into high school), the libertarians in question are, in large measure, extremists within the movement who, while they accept government, think it is an evil and the cause of many wrongs. Anarchism, if you had any clue what these terms meant you would know, means that they think government is an evil AND completely reject it in all of its forms. The distinction is there, thanks for the condescending tip, though. My advice is to be right before you show your ass.
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I thought you were here to bring philosophical-minded commentary to enhance debate not sledgehammer hyperbole to mock positions you disagree with.
 
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volinbham said:
I thought you were here to bring philosophical-minded commentary to enhance debate not sledgehammer hyperbole to mock positions you disagree with.
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There is a difference between trying to discuss issues with people who are showing an interest in doing so rationally, and smacking down people who find argument to be nothing other than mocking the other person. How far can you try to elevate discourse when the other person thinks that it consists solely in ad hominem?
 
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turambar85 said:
There is a difference between trying to discuss issues with people who are showing an interest in doing so rationally, and smacking down people who find argument to be nothing other than mocking the other person. How far can you try to elevate discourse when the other person thinks that it consists solely in ad hominem?
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You began the thread with a grossly exaggerated straw man presentation of libertarian views. What do you expect?
 
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turambar85 said:
Wow, let's be a jackass. I know full well the distinction between Anarchy and libertarianism. As I said in the last post (maybe you should take a reading comprehension course if you can get back into high school), the libertarians in question are, in large measure, extremists within the movement who, while they accept government, think it is an evil and the cause of many wrongs. Anarchism, if you had any clue what these terms meant you would know, means that they think government is an evil AND completely reject it in all of its forms. The distinction is there, thanks for the condescending tip, though. My advice is to be right before you show your ass.
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then why did your OP say nothing to this end?
 
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MG1968 said:
I don't know of a single libertarian that advocates so little government that it borders on anarchy. Neal Boortz is a strong advocate of a federal government that adheres to it's Constitutionally mandated limitations.
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+1

:hi:
 
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turambar85 said:
There is a difference between trying to discuss issues with people who are showing an interest in doing so rationally, and smacking down people who find argument to be nothing other than mocking the other person. How far can you try to elevate discourse when the other person thinks that it consists solely in ad hominem?
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Seriously, the college professor bit has to stop.

We all know you can pat yourself on the back.

:banghead2:

:mf_surrender:
 
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I was briefly involved with the californian libertarian party until i met some of the leadership and realized they were batshit crazy.
 
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droski said:
I was briefly involved with the californian libertarian party until i met some of the leadership and realized they were batshit crazy.
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seems to me that the vast majority who have been early adopters are the lunatic fringe. That's true in almost everything.
 
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droski said:
I was briefly involved with the californian libertarian party until i met some of the leadership and realized they were batshit crazy.
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That was the problem with a lot of the Ron Paul nutbags that thought the federal reserve was a vast conspiracy and 9/11 was an inside job.

It's a shame the moderate libertarian movement gets drowned out by the crazies.
 
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rjd970 said:
That was the problem with a lot of the Ron Paul nutbags that thought the federal reserve was a vast conspiracy and 9/11 was an inside job.

It's a shame the moderate libertarian movement gets drowned out by the crazies.
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the old head of the californian libertarian party told me that he was building a bunker, stockpiling guns, and waiting for the "blacks" to start a race war. and this was before 9/11.
 
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droski said:
the old head of the californian libertarian party told me that he was building a bunker, stockpiling guns, and waiting for the "blacks" to start a race war. and this was before 9/11.
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Damn, that is crazy.
 
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droski said:
the old head of the californian libertarian party told me that he was building a bunker, stockpiling guns, and waiting for the "blacks" to start a race war. and this was before 9/11.
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:crazy:
 
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