Lincoln and Kennedy, the amazing facts between the 2

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Billy Costigan

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Both presidents were elected to the presidency in '60.
Both presidents were elected to the House of Representatives in '46.
Both were runners-up for the party's nomination for vice-president in '56.
Both their respective Vice Presidents/successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson born in '08.
Both presidents were concerned with the problems of black Americans and made their views strongly known in '63. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1862, which became law in 1863. In 1963, Kennedy presented his reports to Congress on Civil Rights, and the same year was the famous March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.
Both presidents were shot in the head.
Both presidents were shot from behind.
Both presidents were shot in presence of their wives.
Both presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both presidents were accompanied by another couple.
The male companion of the other couple was wounded by the assassin.
Lincoln was shot at Ford's Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Lincoln automobile, made by Ford.
Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln (who was born 100 years after Lincoln, and whose husband Harold's nickname was Abe) who warned him not to go to Dallas.
Both Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth were killed before they could be put on trial.
Both presidents' last names have 7 letters.
Both presidents have five syllables in their full name (which counts Kennedy's middle initial).
John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each have 15 letters and 3 words.
There are 6 letters in each Johnson's first name.
Booth ran from a theatre to a warehouse, Oswald ran from a warehouse to a theatre.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
Both presidents were elected to the presidency in '60.
Both presidents were elected to the House of Representatives in '46.
Both were runners-up for the party's nomination for vice-president in '56.
Both their respective Vice Presidents/successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson born in '08.
Both presidents were concerned with the problems of black Americans and made their views strongly known in '63. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1862, which became law in 1863. In 1963, Kennedy presented his reports to Congress on Civil Rights, and the same year was the famous March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.
Both presidents were shot in the head.
Both presidents were shot from behind.
Both presidents were shot in presence of their wives.
Both presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both presidents were accompanied by another couple.
The male companion of the other couple was wounded by the assassin.
Lincoln was shot at Ford's Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Lincoln automobile, made by Ford.
Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy had a secretary named Evelyn Lincoln (who was born 100 years after Lincoln, and whose husband Harold's nickname was Abe) who warned him not to go to Dallas.
Both Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth were killed before they could be put on trial.
Both presidents' last names have 7 letters.
Both presidents have five syllables in their full name (which counts Kennedy's middle initial).
John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each have 15 letters and 3 words.
There are 6 letters in each Johnson's first name.
Booth ran from a theatre to a warehouse, Oswald ran from a warehouse to a theatre.
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I haven't researched it, but my history professor presented it as if LBJ as VP was the party responsible for civil rights being a major part of that administration's agenda.

Lincoln's "concern" is debatable as well. Lincoln's motives for the Emancipation Proclamation were somewhere in between it being the "right thing to do" and it being a great war-time political tactic. Lincoln never represented a slave in his legal career. He did represent a slave-owner who was suing to have his runaway slave returned. Lincoln offered plans to deport all blacks to Panama and back to Africa. He said stuff like blacks were inferior and could never live properly in conjunction with whites. They aren't capable of voting. etc.

Lincoln even told William Lloyd Garrison that he freed the slaves to win the war.
 
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nbakerld said:
I haven't researched it, but my history professor presented it as if LBJ as VP was the party responsible for civil rights being a major part of that administration's agenda.

Lincoln's "concern" is debatable as well. Lincoln's motives for the Emancipation Proclamation were somewhere in between it being the "right thing to do" and it being a great war-time political tactic. Lincoln never represented a slave in his legal career. He did represent a slave-owner who was suing to have his runaway slave returned. Lincoln offered plans to deport all blacks to Panama and back to Africa. He said stuff like blacks were inferior and could never live properly in conjunction with whites. They aren't capable of voting. etc.

Lincoln even told William Lloyd Garrison that he freed the slaves to win the war.
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The Civil War wasn't over slavery. It was over states' rights.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
I always heard that technically it wasn't over slavery but everyone knew it really was.
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no technically about it, the war was over slavery. 50 year old poltic argument that came to a head
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One of the main issues that gets ignored is tariffs. Because of protective tariffs favoring northern industry (that resulted in retaliatory tariffs from our trading partners) southerners weren't playing on a level field. Basically it made everything southerners bought more expensive, and the cotton they exported was getting penalized by Europeans in retaliation. All this was going on as the southerners watched most federally funded internal improvement projects go to northern states. IMO, this is more egregious than a tea tax.
 
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nbakerld said:
Well, slavery was a pivotal issue, but ultimately it was a conflict of power between states and the federal government.
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right, what wasthat conflict...hmmmm...expansion of ........it will come to me
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golfballs03 said:
oe is correct

it was the primary reason
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I guess it depends on what you read. Widespread desertion in the Union after the Emancipation Proclamation and a famous US Grant quote say there was more to the war. Strange you don't read about these tidbits in history books:

If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side
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