Lofton scores 61

#53
#53
crusse10 said:
Why did his athleticism take an insane shot all of his senior year? He had no way to build his strength with all the treatment...Believe it or not, cancer is a serious problem that affects everything.
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It didn't. What about his first three seasons?
 
#54
#54
crusse10 said:
Had he not had cancer, he'd have been drafted. Not with a first round pick, but late in the 2nd, he'd have been picked up. He can shoot just as well as Redick, but adds an extra 3-4 inches because of the nature of his fadeaway shot. Cancer is the reason he isn't in Redick's situation. He'd be a role player put in when they need a few good minutes to spell the starting SG. He'll never be an everyday starter, but neither is Redick. It's the life of a pure shooter.
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Beep, beep.
 
#55
#55
hatvol96 said:
Enough to warrant spot minutes on an NBA Playoff team. That's a fair piece ahead of playing in a backwater league in a Stone Age country.
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In Redick's senior year, he had 36 games with 1336 minutes. He had 71 rebounds, 52 steals, and 2 blocks.

In Lofton's junior year, he had 31 games with 917 minutes. He had 95 rebounds, 45 steals, and 4 blocks.

In terms of the amount of games and minutes, Lofton played better defense per game. The difference on offense was that Redick scored more. This was only because he took 100 more 3s than Lofton. His 3pt% was .421, while Lofton's was .419. Lofton still had a higher FG%, though.
 
#56
#56
So you're all telling me that he didn't progress in his athleticism from his freshman year through his junior year?
He didn't work on his driving and slashing?
He didn't get to the free throw line almost 3x as much his junior year as opposed to his sophomore year?

My point is that his athleticism got way better his junior year. He was playing the pump fake then driving to the basket. Had he had another year of that, coupled with another boost in his defensive ability through an entire offseason of work on defense, which would have happened, he'd have been drafted. I don't understand why people say he wouldn't. He was a pure shooter who added 3 inches to his height because of his shot. He played as good defensively as Redick, who was a first rounder, and shot just as well, only taking fewer shots in college.
 
#57
#57
Chris Lofton isn't in the NBA for a simple reason. He is not, nor has he ever been, good enough to play there. Period.
 
#59
#59
hatvol96 said:
Because some of us actually know NBA personnel guys and they laugh at the notion of Lofton making a roster. That's why.
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Lets hear it. Give me statistics to back up your claim. Show me, based on how he did in 2007. Give me a reason to believe that what your saying is correct. You make claims with no stats to back yourself up. You agrue with no basis for an argument. I simply want to see stats to make me believe that he is any different than a player like Redick, a role playing SG who comes off the bench for less than 10 minutes a game.
 
#60
#60
crusse10 said:
Lets hear it. Give me statistics to back up your claim. Show me, based on how he did in 2007. Give me a reason to believe that what your saying is correct. You make claims with no stats to back yourself up. You agrue with no basis for an argument. I simply want to see stats to make me believe that he is any different than a player like Redick, a role playing SG who comes off the bench for less than 10 minutes a game.
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If you're clueless enough to think college stats, especially those accumulated in a sham system like what UT plays, are indicative of NBA ability, I'll leave you alone with your delusions. You should send those stats you love so much to some NBA GMs. I'm sure they'll see it your way. They've merely overlooked Lofton's obvious talent.
 
#62
#62
crusse10 said:
Lets hear it. Give me statistics to back up your claim. Show me, based on how he did in 2007. Give me a reason to believe that what your saying is correct. You make claims with no stats to back yourself up. You agrue with no basis for an argument. I simply want to see stats to make me believe that he is any different than a player like Redick, a role playing SG who comes off the bench for less than 10 minutes a game.
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Stats have nothing to do with. All you have to do is watch Lofton play, and then watch an NBA game.
 
#63
#63
hatvol96 said:
If you're clueless enough to think college stats, especially those accumulated in a sham system like what UT plays, are indicative of NBA ability, I'll leave you alone with your delusions. You should send those stats you love so much to some NBA GMs. I'm sure they'll see it your way. They've merely overlooked Lofton's obvious talent.
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And Redick's run off 5 screens then push off the last guy and chuck up a 3 is totally legit?
 
#64
#64
JZVOL said:
All you have to do is watch Lofton play, and then watch an NBA game.
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That's crazy talk. You and I both know that we shouldn't even watch games. Just wait for someone to post raw numbers. That tells the real story.
 
#67
#67
hatvol96 said:
That's crazy talk. You and I both know that we shouldn't even watch games. Just wait for someone to post raw numbers. That tells the real story.
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No worries. I watched every game. I was there when he hit the shot to sink Winthrop.
The point of this is not to say that we are good or bad. Nor is it to say that we were good or bad. I don't care, for the sake of this argument, that he had to hit the shot in the first place. It's simple to say that he is a shooter, and that he can hit contested shots, but he does more than that. He is the guy you can turn to when you need a big shot. He takes the pressure, stares down a Kevin Durant, and drains it from 12 feet behind the 3 point line.
But hey, Durant is awful. Why should we take that into account anyway. He can't play defense. He wasn't Rookie of the Year.
 
#68
#68
crusse10 said:
No worries. I watched every game. I was there when he hit the shot to sink Winthrop.
The point of this is not to say that we are good or bad. Nor is it to say that we were good or bad. I don't care, for the sake of this argument, that he had to hit the shot in the first place. It's simple to say that he is a shooter, and that he can hit contested shots, but he does more than that. He is the guy you can turn to when you need a big shot. He takes the pressure, stares down a Kevin Durant, and drains it from 12 feet behind the 3 point line.
But hey, Durant is awful. Why should we take that into account anyway. He can't play defense. He wasn't Rookie of the Year.
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Gee, if only one out of 30 GMs didn't think that's utter silliness.
 
#69
#69
crusse10 said:
Lets hear it. Give me statistics to back up your claim. Show me, based on how he did in 2007. Give me a reason to believe that what your saying is correct. You make claims with no stats to back yourself up. You agrue with no basis for an argument. I simply want to see stats to make me believe that he is any different than a player like Redick, a role playing SG who comes off the bench for less than 10 minutes a game.
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Using this logic, Graham Harrell should have went number 1 Saturday and Timmy Chang would be a Pro Bowl QB.
 
#70
#70
Lofton is one of my favorite UTBB players but he's not an NBA player. That's just the way it is.
 
#73
#73
hatvol96 said:
Gee, if only one out of 30 GMs didn't think that's utter silliness.
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That he can shoot?

Notice from the beginning that I never said he should be in the NBA now. I said that, without cancer, I think he would have been.
Yet from the beginning, you come at me as if I'm saying that he should be in right now. At least you base your attacks on what you think is accurate :good!:
 
#74
#74
justingroves said:
Using this logic, Graham Harrell should have went number 1 Saturday and Timmy Chang would be a Pro Bowl QB.
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Steve Alford's NBA career should have overshadowed Michael Jordan's. Using numbers to support a ridiculous premise is fun.
 
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