Looking ahead part II

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jakez4ut

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I had started a topic like this some time ago, but we've lost more games since then, had more off the feild issues since then, and it appears Cut will be back, looks like it is just a formality at this point...

Other coaching changes? I have to think that JRS is gone as is Pat Washington...I'd also like to think that at some point we will dedicate more resources to Special teams coaching...

QB competition in spring...well, it certainly appears that this will be ON...Crompton will be back from surgery, starts throwing in Jan, and i would assume with new OC he'll want to evaluate both and no starter will be named, again.

WR competition...oh yeah, you can bet on this...but will it really matter? CJ Fayton came out and said it finally...we need to settle on 3-4 and let them work with the #1 qb to develop the timing with each...but we need a #1 named to do that right??

Incorporation of TE and FB, who can actually catch the ball, in to offense...hopefully? Please?

Defense?????? who knows...basically the entire front 7 is gone, and you'd like to think the DB's will p/u where they left off and get even better...because they'll need to be..I look for this to be a bit soft next year.

Opponents...lots of changes there as well...UGA and Bama both losing qb's and O linemen. UF returns a lot, and one would think that after a full season and a new spring and fall camp, they'd get better right? I look for Auburn, LSU and UF to be the class of the SEC next year...ARK is a sleeper in the West. and as much as i hate to admit it, USC is a sleeper next year in the East.

Now for us...the schedule. I don't see us making leaps and bounds improvement form this season to next, though i would expect it to be better, incramentally.

Wins:
Cal
Air Force
Marshall
Memphis
Bama
Vandy
KY

Losses:
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
LSU
Ark

7-5 record, and could be 8-4 if we beat USC or UGA...which i think one of which could be won...but given the Richt/Spurrier hex over Fulmer, i would not count on it...

Big Picture: does 7-5 get Fulmer off the chopping block? for me, no. I honestly think that for Fulmer to say we're "back", we would need to get to 9 wins NEXT year. is it possible? sure. likely? no. I would say right now, we are more likely to go 5-7 before we'd go 9-3.

Either way, we'll find out a lot when Cut gets hired and what personnel decisions are made in the spring. Also, if we have any more stupid off the feild issues, i might go nuts. That will be another indication of whether or not Fulmer has "worked like heck" to fix the discipline issues on this team.

As many of you know i have been a Fulmer apologist on this site, and while i still do not advocate his firing at this time, and still believe he can turn it around (9 or more wins that is), in two years, not one, it has become even clearer to me now, that he must change his ways if he is going to continue to coach this team. I think he's done a wonderful job of putting UT on the next level, but there are aspects fundamental to CPF's personality that will limit his ability to sustain that next level success. Unless he surrounds himself with the best coaches available, he will fail.

And i'll go on record now, if Norm Chow is still OC for the Titans after next year and we suck again (6 or fewer wins), I'll be leading the Big Orange caravan to Nashville.
 
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First of all the season is not over. It would not be over for a true Vol fan if we were winless going into the Ky game. Secondly we will have 10 wins next year. Fulmer may have made some serious miscues but he is not dumb. The ship will be righted.
 
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I think we have the potential to have a great record next year. It's going to take a mindwashing from the new OC. The talent's still there. And as long as everyone stays healthy and away from pickup games of b-ball we should be decent. As far as D, Chavis has shown he can handle rebuilding and getting new guys up and running fairly well. Our Pass D needs some serious attention. But doesn't it always?
 
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I could see one of our traditional we make it to the Dome based on everyone else losing more than us. We can squeak by UGA and UF I think but USC will be the one we'll lose in that group. With a loss to LSU, that will make the fight for the East even harder.
 
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I think I will concentrate on the game Saturday, then our recruiting, and then the game with Cal.

I would really like to see CPF clean house on his staff. There are problems that I think only a relatively new set of assistants could clear up. I say Chief stays, Trooper stays, and Brooks stays, but everybody else gets a really serious evaluation as to their ability to help take us back to the TOP!

Just my two cents worth, if it's even worth that. :twocents:
 
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Wins next season:
Cal
AF
Marshall
Memphis
Vandy
KY
Arkansas
SC
Bama
and we will beat one of the top teams either LSU UF or UGA
 
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Originally posted by Tnwoodsman@Nov 23, 2005 12:23 PM
First of all the season is not over. It would not be over for a true Vol fan if we were winless going into the Ky game. Secondly we will have 10 wins next year. Fulmer may have made some serious miscues but he is not dumb. The ship will be righted.
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Yes, your quite right, literally the season is not over...still one to go....but you know what i mean, jeez. and as for being a true vol fan, well, as one, i just won't even dignify that with a reply...

very optimistic in the 10 win category...

i never said he was dumb, and if you go back and read my posts in the "evaluating fulmer" thread, you will see what i think of Fulmer and his accomplishments...but there isn't anyone that could honestly say that he isn't part of the issues at this program....
 
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That's not my prediction, but rather my general expectation.

I think we should be competing regularly for the SECC.

We should on average win 2-3 championships every 10 years.

I expect for us to be in the mix.

My prediction is that we will NOT be in the mix, simply because there are too many assumptions you have to make on the positive to get this turned that far.
 
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 23, 2005 2:14 PM
That's not my prediction, but rather my general expectation.

I think we should be competing regularly for the SECC.

We should on average win 2-3 championships every 10 years.

I expect for us to be in the mix.

My prediction is that we will NOT be in the mix, simply because there are too many assumptions you have to make on the positive to get this turned that far.
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i agree with that...for a program like ours, we should be in the discussion each year...whether or not we win it, well, you know how that goes...

I just don't think we will be in that discussion next year...unless we make some kind of run during the season that puts us there...

I think Aub, LSU, Floria, USC and UGA will get the majority of the hype in the pre season next year, and it will be HEAVY on South Carolina...especially if they win their bowl game...

Which is fine with me, we always do better off the radar. We just have no idea what to do when the target is on our chest...
 
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Originally posted by Tnwoodsman@Nov 23, 2005 11:23 AM
First of all the season is not over. It would not be over for a true Vol fan if we were winless going into the Ky game. Secondly we will have 10 wins next year. Fulmer may have made some serious miscues but he is not dumb. The ship will be righted.
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I don't think so woodsman, but I agree that the season is not over yet. I hope CPF plays underclassmen only and uses this to gain experience for next year. However, I don't think ten wins is possible under CPF again...period. College football is very unforgiving when it comes to losing systemic control and an unwillingness to hire the best available......only hiring within his personal comfort zone. Let's all hope for the best Go VOLS!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 23, 2005 11:35 AM
Expectation: SEC Championship.

Likely result: No SEC Championship
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Once again...cheers to Liper for simplifying our fate. You are right on again......Root issue ...root cause ...outcome!!
 

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