Loophole in obamacare for muslims.

[gsvol]

CHRISTIANS AND JEWS NEED NOT APPLY FOR
THE MUSLIM EXEMPTION TO OBAMACARE

There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions.

Muslims believe that health insurance is ‘haraam,’ or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill.

No doubt they still get coverage though.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Where does one did this in the bill ad how is this separation of church and state?
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[Sabanocchio]

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims? What's up with the paranoia?

You will twist anything to make it seem like someone is out to get you.

I bet you think Obama is a a) Muslim, b) non-American born, man never walked on the moon, there are aliens amongst us, and an airplane never hit the pentagon.

It's amazing what some people will convince themselves of despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims? What's up with the paranoia?

You will twist anything to make it seem like someone is out to get you.

I bet you think Obama is a a) Muslim, b) non-American born, man never walked on the moon, there are aliens amongst us, and an airplane never hit the pentagon.

It's amazing what some people will convince themselves of despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

What is the evidence to the contrary? Is it in the bill? Sounds fitting for this congress and admin, but where is it why would it allow religious discrimination?
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[BeecherVol]

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims? What's up with the paranoia?

You will twist anything to make it seem like someone is out to get you.

I bet you think Obama is a a) Muslim, b) non-American born, man never walked on the moon, there are aliens amongst us, and an airplane never hit the pentagon.

It's amazing what some people will convince themselves of despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Interesting post.

 

[paul1454]

The link gs posted is - like most links posted by gs - a bit distorted. Sure, there is language in the bill exempting people whose compliance with the individual mandate would restrict their ability to freely exercise their religion. However, the inclusion of this language in this bill is merely an extension of the free exercise clause - found in the first amendment to the constitution. It provides that Congress can make no law prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religion. This provision merely reiterates that. It certainly doesn't say that this bill doesn't apply to muslims.

 

[IPorange]

The link gs posted is - like most links posted by gs - a bit distorted. Sure, there is language in the bill exempting people whose compliance with the individual mandate would restrict their ability to freely exercise their religion. However, the inclusion of this language in this bill is merely an extension of the free exercise clause - found in the first amendment to the constitution. It provides that Congress can make no law prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religion. This provision merely reiterates that. It certainly doesn't say that this bill doesn't apply to muslims.

Well, obviously. But why spoil his fun?

 

[BlueHalo]

Lol...

 

[bamacheats]

I don't think it has do to with religion at all, insurance companies can't medically insure Muslims because there is no way yet of medically treating dynamite vests.
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[IPorange]

I don't think it has do to with religion at all, insurance companies can't medically insure Muslims because there is no way yet of medically treating dynamite vests.
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Sure there is: take two bullets to the brain and call me from hell.

 

[bam15]

The link gs posted is - like most links posted by gs - a bit distorted. Sure, there is language in the bill exempting people whose compliance with the individual mandate would restrict their ability to freely exercise their religion. However, the inclusion of this language in this bill is merely an extension of the free exercise clause - found in the first amendment to the constitution. It provides that Congress can make no law prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religion. This provision merely reiterates that. It certainly doesn't say that this bill doesn't apply to muslims.

Shocker.

 

[T-TownVol]

So, ANY religious group that declares themselves to be "anti-health care" is exempt from being forced to buy insurance?

 

[paul1454]

So, ANY religious group that declares themselves to be "anti-health care" is exempt from being forced to buy insurance?

The assertion doesn't even have to be a religious group. It can be one person dancing to the beat of his own drum. Just has to be enough to make it through a court challenge.

 

[T-TownVol]

The assertion doesn't even have to be a religious group. It can be one person dancing to the beat of his own drum. Just has to be enough to make it through a court challenge.

I feel a motion on the floor, of the next Southern Baptist convention, coming on.

 

[paul1454]

I feel a motion on the floor, of the next Southern Baptist convention, coming on.

:lolabove:

 

[gsvol]

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims? What's up with the paranoia?

You will twist anything to make it seem like someone is out to get you.

I bet you think Obama is a a) Muslim, b) non-American born, man never walked on the moon, there are aliens amongst us, and an airplane never hit the pentagon.

It's amazing what some people will convince themselves of despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Thank you for your psychiatric analysis Dr Phil, where did you learn all that, in an after school detention program??

Interesting post.

True, I think one might consider the 'mountains of eveidence' to be a steaming pile of horse hocky, that's the only way to decipher such a moronic outburst.

The link gs posted is - like most links posted by gs - a bit distorted. Sure, there is language in the bill exempting people whose compliance with the individual mandate would restrict their ability to freely exercise their religion. However, the inclusion of this language in this bill is merely an extension of the free exercise clause - found in the first amendment to the constitution. It provides that Congress can make no law prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religion. This provision merely reiterates that. It certainly doesn't say that this bill doesn't apply to muslims.

On the contrary muslims are exempted from the unconstitutional mandate for citizens to either buy insurance or be fined by the federal government.

Actually if you aren't going to continually talk about socialist talking points you can hardly ever link to any lamestream media source as they don't report anything that isn't doubleplusgood duckspeak politically correct or at least put the doubleplusgood spin on it.

Here is something fromm Fox.

Amish, Muslims Exempt from Obamacare Mandate? | The FOX Nation

There now, feel better??

So, ANY religious group that declares themselves to be "anti-health care" is exempt from being forced to buy insurance?

You can claim scientology and opt out.

What is scientology??

"Scientology is whatever I say it is." L. Ron hubbard

 

[paul1454]

On the contrary muslims are exempted from the unconstitutional mandate for citizens to either buy insurance or be fined by the federal government.

Actually if you aren't going to continually talk about socialist talking points you can hardly ever link to any lamestream media source as they don't report anything that isn't doubleplusgood duckspeak politically correct or at least put the doubleplusgood spin on it.

Here is something fromm Fox.

Amish, Muslims Exempt from Obamacare Mandate? | The FOX Nation

There now, feel better??

1. Are you saying I constantly spit out socialist talking points and hardly link to fox news? I don't think I'm following you here.

2. Please find it in the bill where Muslims are expressly exempted. I've read the provisions. They are an attempt to track the 1st amendment of the CONSTITUTION. Relying on second-hand knowledge - although convenient - can lead to misinformation.

 

[gsvol]

1. Are you saying I constantly spit out socialist talking points and hardly link to fox news? I don't think I'm following you here.

2. Please find it in the bill where Muslims are expressly exempted. I've read the provisions. They are an attempt to track the 1st amendment of the CONSTITUTION. Relying on second-hand knowledge - although convenient - can lead to misinformation.

You're not reall Ross Perot are you??

1. No, sorry for the sorry choice of words I meant anyone.

2. I'm still getting second hand information.

I take it you favor the legislation as is??

What does tracking the 1st amendment have to do with the healthcare bill??

Are you saying muslims may not opt out if they care to while most other Americans don't have that option??

According to a March 23 publication on an authoritative Islamic Web site managed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, various fatwas (religious decrees) absolutely forbid Muslim participation in any sort of health care or other risk insurance:


Pity they couldn't have included 1st amendment protection in the infamous 'pedophile protection act.'

That hate crime legislation was stuck in the defense bill and specificly names muslims as being protected, (along with all kinds of sexual perverts) and senator Grassley tried to amend the amendment to expressly forbid the act from ever treading on a citizens first amendment rights but sadly Grassley's amendment didn't pass.

What do you think of that sort of legislation??

Dutch MP Geert Wilders Trial for Hate Crimes Commences Today at The International Criminal Law Bureau : Blog

 

[paul1454]

I take it you favor the legislation as is??

What does tracking the 1st amendment have to do with the healthcare bill??

Are you saying muslims may not opt out if they care to while most other Americans don't have that option??

According to a March 23 publication on an authoritative Islamic Web site managed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, various fatwas (religious decrees) absolutely forbid Muslim participation in any sort of health care or other risk insurance:


Pity they couldn't have included 1st amendment protection in the infamous 'pedophile protection act.'

That hate crime legislation was stuck in the defense bill and specificly names muslims as being protected, (along with all kinds of sexual perverts) and senator Grassley tried to amend the amendment to expressly forbid the act from ever treading on a citizens first amendment rights but sadly Grassley's amendment didn't pass.

What do you think of that sort of legislation??

Dutch MP Geert Wilders Trial for Hate Crimes Commences Today at The International Criminal Law Bureau : Blog

Do I favor the legislation? No I don't favor the legislation as is, but it is for different reasons than the issue we are discussing.

Why expressly put 1st Amendment protections in the Bill? There is no reason for it. These protections are inherent in any law. Nevertheless, Congress routinely reiterates these protections in legislation they pass.

Am I saying "muslims may not opt out"? Of course not. I am saying anyone can opt out so long as the individual mandate would keep them from being able to exercise their religion. That is essentially what the free exercise clause provides. Whether muslims can do that, I couldn't care less.

As to your pedophile question, I don't know enough about the legislation you are referencing to express an opinion on the issue.

 

[paul1454]

In addition, what is the hate-crime link for? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Not only is that a Netherlands case, but it is also a free speech issue, not free exercise.

 

[gsvol]

In addition, what is the hate-crime link for? That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Not only is that a Netherlands case, but it is also a free speech issue, not free exercise.

Like this provision of obamacare, hate crimes gives special status to certain groups.

From a Geert Wilders speech in New York last year.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighbourhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils.
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In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity. In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

And for revealing the truth about islam he is now being prosecuted for committing a hate crime.

Islam Rising: a new film about Geert Wilders