LSU Championship Bounce

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The system got it right. If the goal was to put the two best teams in the championship game - that is what you've got.
 
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So Dope

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golfballs03 said:
The system got it right. If the goal was to put the two best teams in the championship game - that is what you've got.
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It's not about the two best teams... the problem is what you are using to determine the two best teams.

If Boise would not have missed a FG would they be in there, I would say they would be left out... then the question becomes WHY? The reason given will be schedule.

See the problem is, everyone has been using the schedule bit to remove the likes of Boise/Utah/Etc., now they have used a different reason to exclude a team since now schedule is not as relevant.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
It's not about the two best teams... the problem is what you are using to determine the two best teams.

If Boise would not have missed a FG would they be in there, I would say they would be left out... then the question becomes WHY? The reason given will be schedule.

See the problem is, everyone has been using the schedule bit to remove the likes of Boise/Utah/Etc., now they have used a different reason to exclude a team since now schedule is not as relevant.
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the purpose to place the two best teams in the championship game

btw, playing that coulda woulda shoulda game is totally pointless
 
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golfballs03 said:
the purpose to place the two best teams in the championship game

btw, playing that coulda woulda shoulda game is totally pointless
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Yeah, but people discussing how you are determining the two best teams. Prior to this year, people were using the schedule to make that determination in a big way as that has been the top thing mentioned when some team didn't make it.

If someone claims in 2008 Utah was not the 2nd best team due to schedule I don't see how you could vote in Bama this year. Personally, I don't really care who we play but when the media is saying now it's about something other than schedule when before it was all about the schedule... that does not compute to me.
 
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Gator H8R said:
Beat them down? Are you off your meds? It was a fluke. Okie State got screwed.
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Okie State did not get screwed. Their strength of schedule was way off of Bama's, don't even start comparing the Big 12 to the SEC. LSU and Bama are the best two teams in the nation, people just need to get over that. Okie State got beat by Iowa State, a 6-6 finishing team, Bama didn't get beat by Kentucky or Vandy did they? Point proven, Bama and LSU belong, people just need to get over it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yeah, but people discussing how you are determining the two best teams. Prior to this year, people were using the schedule to make that determination in a big way as that has been the top thing mentioned when some team didn't make it.

If someone claims in 2008 Utah was not the 2nd best team due to schedule I don't see how you could vote in Bama this year. Personally, I don't really care who we play but when the media is saying now it's about something other than schedule when before it was all about the schedule... that does not compute to me.
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It's still about the schedule, and it's still about who the voters want to see, and what is going to draw the best money. Okie State may have traveled well to New Orleans but not as good as the Bama fans are going to. Okie State would have got demolished, who wants to see a blowout National Title game, NOT ME.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
Okie State did not get screwed. Their strength of schedule was way off of Bama's, don't even start comparing the Big 12 to the SEC. LSU and Bama are the best two teams in the nation, people just need to get over that. Okie State got beat by Iowa State, a 6-6 finishing team, Bama didn't get beat by Kentucky or Vandy did they? Point proven, Bama and LSU belong, people just need to get over it.
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Strength of schedule is in OKST's favor. Just say Roll Tide and be done with it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yeah, but people discussing how you are determining the two best teams. Prior to this year, people were using the schedule to make that determination in a big way as that has been the top thing mentioned when some team didn't make it.

If someone claims in 2008 Utah was not the 2nd best team due to schedule I don't see how you could vote in Bama this year. Personally, I don't really care who we play but when the media is saying now it's about something other than schedule when before it was all about the schedule... that does not compute to me.
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You can make a case of what should be. But the way it is set up now is working. The two best teams are in the championship game.

I can understand why an LSU fan would want OSU. Easier win. Beating Bama twice in one year is a tall task.
 
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golfballs03 said:
You can make a case of what should be. But the way it is set up now is working. The two best teams are in the championship game.

I can understand why an LSU fan would want OSU. Easier win. Beating Bama twice in one year is a tall task.
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See that is the thing, you say the 2 best teams, that is subjective... you act like it is a given.

Ok, lets say when Bama moves to the SEC East, suppose we had the same thing happen... LSU won a regular season matchup with Bama, then they meet in the SECCG and LSU won again... should Bama be given another shot? Technically they could be the 2nd best team.

The problem isn't that Bama is or is not the 2nd best team, its the changing of components which form that opinion.

As far as LSU v. Bama, I am actually looking forward to it... as this season could go from a great season to a legendary season.

I am not crying for OSU, I think the whole college sports scene is a scam. With that said, I think Bama would have more solid footing if they had lost say in BR.

Just my take.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
See that is the thing, you say the 2 best teams, that is subjective... you act like it is a given.

Ok, lets say when Bama moves to the SEC East, suppose we had the same thing happen... LSU won a regular season matchup with Bama, then they meet in the SECCG and LSU won again... should Bama be given another shot? Technically they could be the 2nd best team.

The problem isn't that Bama is or is not the 2nd best team, its the changing of components which form that opinion.

As far as LSU v. Bama, I am actually looking forward to it... as this season could go from a great season to a legendary season.

I am not crying for OSU, I think the whole college sports scene is a scam. With that said, I think Bama would have more solid footing if they had lost say in BR.

Just my take.
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I agree with you.
Had the same criteria been used in 2006 that applies this year, Florida would've been left out of the BCSNC game and there would have been an Ohio State - Michigan rematch.
The rationale that prevented Michigan from playing has been reversed to allow Bama a second chance.

fwiw, If Bama wins, the SEC Championship game will rendered senseless. UT should claim their mulligan from 2001, or maybe they should have skipped the SEC Championship game altogether. The loss to LSU was meaningless.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
See that is the thing, you say the 2 best teams, that is subjective... you act like it is a given.

Ok, lets say when Bama moves to the SEC East, suppose we had the same thing happen... LSU won a regular season matchup with Bama, then they meet in the SECCG and LSU won again... should Bama be given another shot? Technically they could be the 2nd best team.

The problem isn't that Bama is or is not the 2nd best team, its the changing of components which form that opinion.

As far as LSU v. Bama, I am actually looking forward to it... as this season could go from a great season to a legendary season.

I am not crying for OSU, I think the whole college sports scene is a scam. With that said, I think Bama would have more solid footing if they had lost say in BR.

Just my take.
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The point of the BCS is to put the best 2 teams in the championship game. If they didn't want rematches, they could say so in the rules that govern the BCS. But they didn't.
 
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golfballs03 said:
The point of the BCS is to put the best 2 teams in the championship game. If they didn't want rematches, they could say so in the rules that govern the BCS. But they didn't.
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You are missing the point... you seem to imply that Alabama is the 2nd best team, this mostly based on opinion of polls, although there is some schedule component.

If you were correct that Bama is the 2nd best team, then if LSU played Bama on the last regular season game, then beat them in say the SECCG, then you are saying Bama would be picked again for the BCS... I have a feeling all those voters would change their mind.

So, no it's not necessarily about the 2 best teams, it's about who is voted in.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are missing the point... you seem to imply that Alabama is the 2nd best team, this mostly based on opinion of polls, although there is some schedule component.

If you were correct that Bama is the 2nd best team, then if LSU played Bama on the last regular season game, then beat them in say the SECCG, then you are saying Bama would be picked again for the BCS... I have a feeling all those voters would change their mind.

So, no it's not necessarily about the 2 best teams, it's about who is voted in.
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Well that's not the case. Based on what has actually happened, the most prevalent opinion is that Alabama is #2. The circumstances are what they are.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Well that's not the case. Based on what has actually happened, the most prevalent opinion is that Alabama is #2. The circumstances are what they are.
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You are still missing the point.

Of course, the opinion is Alabama is #2, the problem is people are now all of a sudden using a different measure of how they came to that conclusion.

If Bama had played in the SECCG and lost again, how many of those voters would have picked Bama again for the BCS, probably only Saban. If it were just about the 2 best teams none of the people would switch their vote.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are still missing the point.

Of course, the opinion is Alabama is #2, the problem is people are now all of a sudden using a different measure of how they came to that conclusion.

If Bama had played in the SECCG and lost again, how many of those voters would have picked Bama again for the BCS, probably only Saban. If it were just about the 2 best teams none of the people would switch their vote.
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Hypotheticals are meaningless.
 
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