LSU Fans snot bubblin??

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Some LSU Fans Wanting Out Of The SEC? We Thought They Were The Tigers, Not The Chickens

Sorry if this has already been posted but I didn't see it. I just always find it funny that after years of being irrelevant the Louisiana Mud Cats are pissed about being overlooked for the Bourbon Bowl.

They have played home games for both of their BCS titles and are crying over this crap. Get over yourself LSU and don't forget to send a Holiday card to Saban for making you relelvant.
 
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This is mainly crying about having to /being forced to play UF every year; it's the first reason on just about every list this group of fans are making



....and "snot bubblin"? Really...
 
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Here's two point-counterpoint articles made by one of The Advocate's writers - a Scott Rabalais - about the matter; they pretty much started this fuss



First the for:

Five reasons LSU should  leave the Southeastern Conference | Sports | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

FIVE REASONS LSU SHOULD LEAVE THE SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE

The time has come.
Imbalanced, arbitrary football schedules, unfavorable bowl politics and a conference office that frequently indicates it is ignoring LSU’s concerns and needs have led the school and its athletic program to this point:

It is time to consider seceding from the Southeastern Conference.

LSU is a charter member of the SEC dating to 1933, but that doesn’t mean it has to stay there forever. Not if there are other, appealing options out there.

Where could LSU go? With the Big East dissolving, the ACC in flux, the Big Ten and Pac-12 too far away and independent status not a viable option for scheduling and economic reasons, LSU’s only real option would be to join the Big 12. It’s the conference closest to LSU in terms of physical location and philosophy.

Here are five reasons why there’s no better time for LSU to leave the SEC:

1 Unfair football scheduling
The newly expanded SEC goes into 2013 with a temporary schedule in place for the second straight year as the conference grapples with how to set up a long-term scheduling format. The SEC slapped a bandage on this upcoming season’s schedule, but it hardly attempts to cover the wounds the 2012 temporary schedule created.

The main problem, from LSU’s perspective, is a schedule that puts the Tigers at a competitive disadvantage to its chief rival for SEC West supremacy (with apologies to Texas A&M and Johnny Heisman), Alabama. Not only does LSU have to play at Alabama in 2013 as it usually does in odd-numbered years, but the Tigers also have to play at Georgia and host Florida, teams that tied for first in the SEC East this past season with 7-1 marks.

Alabama’s two opponents out of the East? Tennessee in Tuscaloosa and Kentucky on the road, teams that went a combined 1-15 in conference play and are breaking in new coaches.

The SEC did LSU a disservice and cannot be unaware of that. The Tigers have the chance to field another prime BCS title contender in 2013 (one early poll puts LSU as preseason No. 3), but the Tigers will have a much tougher road to Pasadena and the final non-playoff BCS Championship Game playing the Bulldogs and Gators than will the Crimson Tide playing the Volunteers and Wildcats.

National championship seasons are hard to come by. And LSU’s may get short-circuited before it even starts.

2 Permanent opponents
The biggest continuing flaw in SEC football scheduling is the concept of permanent, opposite-division opponents. Permanent opponents are the SEC’s hide-bound attempt to cling to traditional rivalries that would otherwise be disrupted by East and West divisions, primarily Alabama/Tennessee and Auburn/Georgia.

One can argue those are rivalries worth preserving, but since everyone is required to have a permanent opponent, the SEC also has given us such non-stimulating annual showdowns as Ole Miss/Vanderbilt and Mississippi State/Kentucky.

LSU is saddled with Florida as its permanent opponent, while Alabama has Tennessee. Florida has finished with a better record than Tennessee in six of the past seven seasons, with the Vols having failed to post even an above-.500 SEC record since winning the SEC East in 2007.

LSU lobbied at the SEC Spring Meeting in May to eliminate permanent opponents but was soundly defeated. The school will push again at the next meeting in May. Failing that, LSU Athletic Director Joe Alleva proposes that the SEC adopt the Pac-12 model, which allows those schools that want permanent opponents to have them and those that do not to rotate.

The 10-member Big 12 does not have divisions — all of its members play everyone else in a nine-game conference schedule. When the Big 12 did have 12 members split into six-team North and South divisions, schools played the five teams in their division, three teams from the other division for two years, then the other three teams for two years. Fair and balanced.

3 Escaping the Alabama shadow
The football scheduling plan comes out of an SEC office in Birmingham, Ala., that fairly or not has long been seen as being too close to the Alabama campus — geographically and philosophically — for the rest of the conference’s good. Certainly it is not a one-sport league, but football drives the SEC’s economic train and is the face of the conference nation-wide.

LSU’s hopes and desires when it comes to football have been routinely ignored, especially of late when it comes to permanent opponents (which Alabama favors) and in terms of this season’s bowl landscape.

The SEC protected championship-game loser Georgia by convincing the Capital One Bowl to take the Bulldogs; allowed the Cotton Bowl to choose Texas A&M over LSU; and discouraged the Outback Bowl from taking LSU (for a first-ever game with Michigan) to avoid a Chick-fil-A Bowl rematch between South Carolina and Clemson. Had the SEC urged the Cotton to take LSU over A&M — the Tigers beat the Aggies and are higher ranked — and sent A&M to the Chick-fil-A, it would have been a more equitable arrangement.

Instead, LSU is left to make its fifth trip to the Chick-fil-A since 1996 and 11th trip to Atlanta in that span to play a game that, despite an excellent matchup, has failed to whip LSU fans into a ticket-buying frenzy.

LSU at last count had sold a little more than 10,000 of its 16,000 tickets for the Chick-fil-A Bowl. LSU took more than 16,000 orders for 12,500 Cotton Bowl tickets — a bowl that has a Big 12 tie-in opposite the SEC.

4 TIMING IS
EVERYTHING
Conference realignment is trendier these days than even Johnny Heisman. The past couple of years have seen schools leave traditional conference homes for new affiliations that once would have seemed impossible: Nebraska to the Big Ten, West Virginia to the Big 12, Utah to the Pac-12 — and don’t forget Missouri to the SEC.

Eventually, college athletics is likely to be dominated by four 16-team super-conferences. The blocks of those super-conferences are now shifting. It makes sense to go now before the blocks are set in place.

5 GEOGRAPHY IS OVERRATED
Certainly leaving the SEC for Big 12 would mean longer road trips — Ames, Iowa, for instance, over Starkville, Miss.; or Stillwater, Okla., instead of Knoxville, Tenn. It seems impossible to consider until you watched West Virginia play a Big 12 game at Texas Tech last season.

Traditional geographic lines have not only been blurred in big-time college athletics, they have been obliterated. It is no longer an unwritten requirement that conference members be from states that border each other — although Louisiana does border Texas.

Before Arkansas and A&M joined the SEC, LSU was forever the SEC’s westernmost outpost. What would be so odd about being the Big 12’s southernmost? Not at all as unfathomable as it once seemed.

Certainly were LSU to leave the SEC for the Big 12, it would come with some huge issues.

But after years of mounting frustration in the SEC, perhaps a fresh start would be best for LSU under the right circumstances.
 
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Here's the counterpoint against (to stay)...written by the same guy:

Actually, on second thought ... | Sports | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

In some ways it's almost like he wrote the first article to set up [reading] the second article

ACTUALLY ON SECOND THOUGHT...


Show caption BILL FEIG / 00028028A
BY SCOTT RABALAIS
Advocate sportswriter
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LSU’s membership in the Southeastern Conference has hardly been a perfect marriage, especially in recent years amid growing inequities in football scheduling.

But there are plenty of reasons to stay put in the SEC. Here are five of them:

1 THE prestige can’t be matched
College football fans outside the SEC may loathe the conference for its six straight BCS championships — to the point where a lightning rod program like Notre Dame looks like a sentimental favorite in next month’s title bout against Alabama. But make no mistake: Respect for the SEC is at an all-time high.

Sports fans may be sick of SEC dominance, but as Gen. George S. Patton said, Americans love a winner.

For that, the SEC has earned unprecedented, if grudging, respect.

2 Equal revenue sharing
If LSU were to leave the SEC, its best and perhaps only viable option would be the Big 12. One of the biggest factors that drove Texas A&M out of the Big 12 and into the SEC’s waiting arms was the issue of unequal revenue spurred by Texas’ $300 million Longhorn Network deal with ESPN.

The Big 12 used to have revenue sharing based in large part on the number of TV appearances a school makes in football and men’s basketball. While that has been eliminated, the specter of Texas rolling in ESPN-printed cash that the other Big 12 members can’t access is an unpalatable prospect.

3 History? Not with Big 12 teams
LSU has been in the SEC since it was founded in 1933. Over that time, and even before that, LSU built deep ties and rivalries with schools like Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and even Kentucky, which LSU played annually from 1952 to 2002.

But teams in the Big 12? Little history there at all. LSU has played Texas the most (17 times) but only twice in the past 50 years and not at all in the regular season since 1954. TCU has been an LSU opponent just eight times, with the 2013 opener in Cowboys Stadium looming.

Oklahoma? LSU has played the Sooners in two bowls (although a home-and-home series is on the horizon). Kansas State? Once. Iowa State? Once. Kansas? Please.

4 Geography is critical
LSU fans are loyal and creative — amazingly, more than 7,000 of them turned up in Fayetteville for the season finale at Arkansas the day after Thanksgiving last month.

But how hard will it be to get to Ames, Iowa? How treacherous is a November game at West Virginia? What about a March baseball series at K-State? Would they be chipping ice off the infield?

In the SEC, LSU has three road trips that are more than 700 miles: Kentucky (801), Missouri (776) and South Carolina (736). The Tigers would have four such trips in the Big 12, topping out at 1,076 miles to Morgantown, W.Va.

One game there in 2011 was a novelty. Going there every other year? Not as much.

5 Better the devil you know
The SEC is far from a perfect home for LSU, but it is home. In the SEC, the school has traditional and close rivals, unmatched respect as a powerful member of the power conference and, despite persistently inequitable football scheduling, the even more important reality of equal revenue sharing.

It wouldn’t hurt one bit for LSU to do a little saber-rattling to get the SEC’s attention, to give greater voice to its concerns.

But in the end, the SEC is where LSU will stay.
 
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I think LSU's gripe is BS. I'm sure they didn't care Alabama had to play Tennessee when Bama was down and Tennessee was good. The powers in this conference fluctuates, 15 years ago the best teams were Tennessee and Florida. Then Georgia started adding some bite to it's bark, Arkansas had a nice run, and LSU got Saban. Now Bama becomes a powerhouse, Georgia and Florida get better and so does LSU. It will all cycle again and the powers will change.
 
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I haven't read a lot about how the schedule is going to be but the fact that they are griping about the schedule next year I think is petty. IF the schedule rotates then Bama will have a tougher schedule. Can anybody shed light on the schedule rotation or have a link to an article about it?
 
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I haven't read a lot about how the schedule is going to be but the fact that they are griping about the schedule next year I think is petty. IF the schedule rotates then Bama will have a tougher schedule. Can anybody shed light on the schedule rotation or have a link to an article about it?

The league hasn't finalized the permanent schedule. 2013 is another bridge schedule that isn't reflective of what may happen going forward. The SEC won't finalize anything until the new TV contract is ironed out.
 
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Schedule's already set for next season, but the office has already said it's another transition schedule (/ that they're still working on making a cycling regular schedule)

SEC Releases 2013 Conference Football Schedule > SEC > NEWS


So no one knows anything past next season other than that the rotational opponents will work on a changing opponent, home than away system (i.e. Year 1: @ Team A, Year 2: vs Team B, Year 3 @ Team C, etc).


A lot of the problems they're having now are believed to be balancing matchups across the league's calendar (things like trying to avoid weeks where everyone is playing FCS teams late in the year, finding good end of the season matchups for A&M and Missouri - originally a&m was to play USCe in season and Mizzou Arky, but with the timing of those games (since Arky traditionally plays LSU at season's end and USCe with Clemson) it feasibly was leaving those 2 stuck without an opponent (/ playing an FCS team) at the end of the season - as well as some other schedule-related problems)
 
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I haven't read a lot about how the schedule is going to be but the fact that they are griping about the schedule next year I think is petty. IF the schedule rotates then Bama will have a tougher schedule. Can anybody shed light on the schedule rotation or have a link to an article about it?

I think part of their gripe - though it is a petty one - is, in an unknown transitory scheduling system decided by the conference alone - a team like Bama happened (or in their view "just happened") to rotate from Missouri (who wasnt very good) to UK (who was worse) while they rotated from USCe right into playing UGA in Athens...it being in some minds a bit of favoritism going on/being played with some teams





Of course, really I feel it's all kind of silly or even petty overall.




However, I guess the longer the league's in transition scheduling, the more complaints like this might come up (/continue coming up stronger) from some of the more already upset or conspiracy-theory laden members and/or employees of fanbases.
 
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The league hasn't finalized the permanent schedule. 2013 is another bridge schedule that isn't reflective of what may happen going forward. The SEC won't finalize anything until the new TV contract is ironed out.

Isn't the TV contract also not finalized because they were still trying to fix/rework the schedule for better contract offer/value?
 
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I think part of their gripe - though it is a petty one - is, in an unknown transitory scheduling system decided by the conference alone - a team like Bama happened (or in their view "just happened") to rotate from Missouri (who wasnt very good) to UK (who was worse) while they rotated from USCe right into playing UGA in Athens...it being in some minds a bit of favoritism going on/being played with some teams





Of course, really I feel it's all kind of silly or even petty overall.




However, I guess the longer the league's in transition scheduling, the more complaints like this might come up (/continue coming up stronger) from some of the more already upset or conspiracy-theory laden members and/or employees of fanbases.

I guess I could see where they feel slighted but it doesn't look like that's going to be a permanent thing. I would think they would stand to lose more money by leaving than they would staying. If you look at it by a money stand point I would think it would be a bad move. Competing for NC it might be a better move to get out because compeition would be a little easier in another conference.
 
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They could keep the one permanent game and then schedule the other game on a year-to-year basis, and pair teams so that, for example, the combined 2012 SEC records of each team's 2013 opponents from the other division are as close to the same as possible. So, UT would get a team towards the bottom to compensate for Bama. Technically, we did, as we drew Auburn. But, LSU, to compensate for playing Florida, should get to play someone like UK, not UGA. Have Bama play UGA and LSU play UK, instead of the other way around, and things look better.

It wouldn't be perfect, as there would be date limitations, but I think it would be an improvement.
 
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They could keep the one permanent game and then schedule the other game on a year-to-year basis, and pair teams so that, for example, the combined 2012 SEC records of each team's 2013 opponents from the other division are as close to the same as possible. So, UT would get a team towards the bottom to compensate for Bama. Technically, we did, as we drew Auburn. But, LSU, to compensate for playing Florida, should get to play someone like UK, not UGA. Have Bama play UGA and LSU play UK, instead of the other way around, and things look better.

It wouldn't be perfect, as there would be date limitations, but I think it would be an improvement.

I think a scheduling format like that is perfect for a 16 team league with 4 divisions. But, as it stands right now, that would mean that certain programs could potentially go decades without seeing one another.
 
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I think a scheduling format like that is perfect for a 16 team league with 4 divisions. But, as it stands right now, that would mean that certain programs could potentially go decades without seeing one another.

I was thinking of your point - that some programs just wouldn't play. But, it's the only way to make the schedule fair and keep the rivalry games.
 
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This one thing popped-up to me when reading that article:-

Tennessee has won more SEC football titles than any school not named Alabama and they are the last school to win back-to-back league titles (in 1997 and 1998). But the Vols are now in a down-cycle and haven’t lost fewer than four games in any season since 2004. They will rise again at some point. America’s biggest programs always do.

Always good to read something like this.
Go Vols !!!
 
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I was thinking of your point - that some programs just wouldn't play. But, it's the only way to make the schedule fair and keep the rivalry games.

I think it's best to let each program choose whether they want to continue their cross-division rivalries. Keep Bama-UT and AU-UGA and those teams will rotate their remaining cross-division opponent. The other ten teams rotate both games. The Pac 12 already does this with the 4 California teams.

That said, I think LSU would be disappointed to find out that at least 8 teams want to keep playing their rivals: Bama-UT, AU-UGA, Vandy-Ole Miss, and Arkansas-Mizzou (whenever they get around to starting that rivalry).
 
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I think it's best to let each program choose whether they want to continue their cross-division rivalries. Keep Bama-UT and AU-UGA and those teams will rotate their remaining cross-division opponent. The other ten teams rotate both games. The Pac 12 already does this with the 4 California teams.

That said, I think LSU would be disappointed to find out that at least 8 teams want to keep playing their rivals: Bama-UT, AU-UGA, Vandy-Ole Miss, and Arkansas-Mizzou (whenever they get around to starting that rivalry).

Is Arky- Mizzou still happening? Last thing I read from the SEC offices was they were having too much trouble finding end of the season major opponents (mainly conference...but possibly also non-conference as well, since we all know Texas's and KU's stance on the matter) for the two teams.
 
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Is Arky- Mizzou still happening? Last thing I read from the SEC offices was they were having too much trouble finding end of the season major opponents (mainly conference...but possibly also non-conference as well, since we all know Texas's and KU's stance on the matter) for the two teams.

From what I'm hearing, it's still happening. The end of year opponents might wind up being Arky-Mizzou and A&M-LSU.

Of course, part of the delay is the possibility of expansion. Mizzou and Arkansas might be in the same division before a permanent schedule is in place.
 
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From what I'm hearing, it's still happening. The end of year opponents might wind up being Arky-Mizzou and A&M-LSU.

Of course, part of the delay is the possibility of expansion. Mizzou and Arkansas might be in the same division before a permanent schedule is in place.

Is there not any fuss from Arkansas and/or LSU about that thanksgiving game being moved?
 
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LSU's too wrapped up in pissing and moaning about having to play Florida. They only have so many tears to shed.

And what about Arkansas? Isn't LSU on the day after thanksgiving at that neutral site a big deal for them?

(possibly seems like it's the only game they would care about preserving/keeping at this point in time)
 

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