LSU oversigns

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Outside The Lines Videos - ESPN

Apparently, some LSU fans hated this info so much that a certain person found it necessary to ban me from a LSU forum.

It's a good segment on oversigning, LSU has been guilty of this and they are not the only one. I wish LSU would not be like the other schools and just stop doing it. I found the story to be fairly good, from what I heard ESPN will be doing more segments on this problem.

Legacy, if you read this over here, Bretty banned me for calling out people that were throwing insults at me. lol The irony. lol
 
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There should be a solution to this oversigning ordeal. Teams like TN, who are well under the scholly limit, should be allowed to oversign. OTOH no program should be able to take away a scholly after their junior year without cause.
 
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Even though it shows it's more of a problem in the SEC as a whole, there is a few schools in the SEC that stand out above the rest.
 
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Yeah, I think it's horrible. LSU is not the only one but it is happening way too often.

I think if a school only offers a one year deal, then the player should have the option to also not renew and go anywhere they want without penalty. Schools then would be more inclined to give 4 year deals.
 
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You should see what LSU is doing for 2011. I believe there are 10 seniors, Peterson is NFL bound and you might get Ridley going to the NFL. That gives you around 12 scholarship, right? But LSU did self-imposed 2 scholarship dock for 2011, so there are AROUND 10 scholarships available.

LSU is trying to sign 23 players for 2011 with 19 commits already on-board. Also, one player Murphy is trying to get a 6th year due to knee injury. So, LSU is going to be short around 8-15 slots for the upcoming class.

Bama is doing similar things as well, LSU is not alone but I wish the NCAA would get handle of this.
 
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Saban oversigns, but so far not a single kid has claimed he was forced from his schollie. A couple of kids got medical redshirts that might have been iffy, but they got to continue their educations.

Miles can't say the same thing.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You should see what LSU is doing for 2011. I believe there are 10 seniors, Peterson is NFL bound and you might get Ridley going to the NFL. That gives you around 12 scholarship, right? But LSU did self-imposed 2 scholarship dock for 2011, so there are AROUND 10 scholarships available.

LSU is trying to sign 23 players for 2011 with 19 commits already on-board. Also, one player Murphy is trying to get a 6th year due to knee injury. So, LSU is going to be short around 8-15 slots for the upcoming class.

Bama is doing similar things as well, LSU is not alone but I wish the NCAA would get handle of this.
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Sure you've seen this.

Recruiting Numbers Oversigning.com

The problem is widespread, but the attrition that comes as a result of academics, injuries, and transfers needs to be accounted for.
 
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I'm a jerk, but oversigning really doesn't bother me. If you can't keep your spot, then a program shouldn't be forced to keep you on.

However, I think transfer restrictions should be much more relaxed than they are now.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm a jerk, but oversigning really doesn't bother me. If you can't keep your spot, then a program shouldn't be forced to keep you on.

However, I think transfer restrictions should be much more relaxed than they are now.
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Yeah, it sounds good until your freshman kid is sitting in the dorm a few days before school starts and gets a call from the coach to come on by. He goes by the office, coach says you don't have to go but you can't stay here. Goodbye.

That happened to Elliott Porter, Porter was lucky and he was able to get in with Kentucky. Someone had to go, this year LSU will have to force out many that have done nothing wrong. Oh and Porter was good enough or they wouldn't have offered a greyshirt, they just don't know how to do Math I guess.

The whole thing needs to be revamped. IMHO

Hey, if the school doesn't renew and doesn't get a penalty, I don't see where the kid shouldn't be given the same deal. School offers a 1 year, fine, kid can leave after one year, no release needed. IMHO

I think the piece was good to show these kids to not trust these coaches.
 
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Porter was an entirely different situation, as he had just showed up, and a kid that Miles liked more but he didn't think would qualify actually made it past the clearinghouse.

I'm not talking about situations like that.

I'm talking about a kid who has been on the team for a couple of years and can't crack the two deep.
 
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bamawriter said:
Porter was an entirely different situation, as he had just showed up, and a kid that Miles liked more but he didn't think would qualify actually made it past the clearinghouse.

I'm not talking about situations like that.

I'm talking about a kid who has been on the team for a couple of years and can't crack the two deep.
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I have no problem with it if the player is given notice. Of course, as long as the same thing applies to the school. If the kid doesn't think the school is performing and he elects not to renew, he should be able to go wherever he wants.

Another way of stopping this is a hard scholarship count every year... say 24, so no 85 rule. You get 24 4-year players, if you drop him the slot is gone, he gets hurt, the slot is gone, he gets arrested... too bad, bad grades.... too bad. If they get hurt and apply for 5th year, then they can keep the slot. No redshirt unless medically cleared, no greyshirt BS, no nothing.... 24 that is it.
 
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This is becoming more of a common occurrence each year. Some kids pay their own way and if they don't play in the game they are not counted against the scholarship limit.

A kid who's dad played for the team, grew up dreaming of playing for said school get's a "scholarship". Never gets to play until his senior year, does not count against the number until he plays, because his dad was really paying his way to college, not a true athletic scholarship. He counts against the number the day he sets foot on the field during a game. Some players are weeded out due to academics and behavioral issues. It's a fine line that coaches use to their advantage.

What did Nutt do with the 37 players he brought in 2 years ago?
 
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bamawriter said:
Saban oversigns, but so far not a single kid has claimed he was forced from his schollie. A couple of kids got medical redshirts that might have been iffy, but they got to continue their educations.

Miles can't say the same thing.
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That's not entirely true, or at least the notion is debatable.

Alabama Crimson Tide Football Has Some Unhappy Castaways - WSJ.com

If kids are being forced into these situations, that's a bad thing.

Overall though, I agree with another of your posts. Teams shouldn't necessarily be required to keep dead weight they want to send elsewhere, but the transfer rules should be relaxed when players are let go.
 
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Eliminate Title IX and the 85 limit, congress and the NCAA are the ones to be mad at. What happens to some of these kids is shameful but it is a byproduct of both institutions and the need for coaches to win at all costs.

The real problem with the situation is if a kid has his scholarship taken away they are still penalized a year by the transfer rule when the school is not. The solution with the current rules is to let both move on without penalty. Of course the only real solution is to get rid of title IX and the 85 rule.
 
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