Making the Playoffs....

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I know we have GA in a few weeks, and if we happen not to win, but play it close, we can still make the playoffs. If UGA wins out, and beats Bama in the SEC championship, we could squeak in by having only one loss. Bama would have 2 losses and would be pretty much out of the picture. Not the ideal scenario, but there's a small light at the end if we don't win out.
 
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If all the stars alingn this could happen. Alabama has gotten to the title game before after having an L and not winning the conference......but.....we are talking about the most corrupt sports organization in all of sports, so I'm sure it was just their special treatment.
 
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here is a scenario for you
we beat GA in regular season
we lose to Bama in the SEC championship
we get in the playoffs with one loss
we meet Bama again in the Natty and beat them
we would have played Bama 3 times in the same season
I bet that playing a team 3 times in 1 season has never happened before
 
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Watching Gameday right now, and on the ticker, it gave the odds for making the playoffs. Tennessee is #6. Didn't show their predicted record, but one thing in particular that bothers me is that they have Clemson ahead of Tennessee. Should Tennessee win out, win or lose the SEC Championship game, Tennessee would deserve the opportunity to be in the mix.
 
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Watching Gameday right now, and on the ticker, it gave the odds for making the playoffs. Tennessee is #6. Didn't show their predicted record, but one thing in particular that bothers me is that they have Clemson ahead of Tennessee. Should Tennessee win out, win or lose the SEC Championship game, Tennessee would deserve the opportunity to be in the mix.
You don't think Clemson is more likely to make the playoffs than UT?
 
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You don't think Clemson is more likely to make the playoffs than UT?
The last sentence has my opinion about that question. If Tennessee wins out, that would mean they beat Pitt, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Kentucky, and Georgia in the regular season, and all are ranked or were ranked when Tennessee played them. I think that resume' would be plenty good enough to be in the playoffs, regardless of what Clemson does.
 
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The last sentence has my opinion about that question. If Tennessee wins out, that would mean they beat Pitt, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Kentucky, and Georgia in the regular season, and all are ranked or were ranked when Tennessee played them. I think that resume' would be plenty good enough to be in the playoffs, regardless of what Clemson does.
But the odds of UT doing what you describe are lower than Clemson winning out and making the playoffs. That's why their odds are better than UTs.
 
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But the odds of UT doing what you describe are lower than Clemson winning out and making the playoffs. That's why their odds are better than UTs.

It’s a challenge for sure. At this point it’s mostly getting the win against Georgia but Kentucky and South Carolina have chances to beat us too. Not great ones, but if they aren’t taken seriously or we have a really bad day for some other reason they could beat us. Vanderbilt and Missouri shouldn’t be too problematic but remember Georgia nearly lost to Missouri, so there chances are low but non-zero against us.

I’m still trying to understand the Georgia matchup but if you look at the various models most of them give us like 20% plus or minus a few points to win. Kentucky and South Carolina have similar chances to beat us as we do Georgia per said models.

Anyway, basically our percentages of going undefeated are so low because of Georgia especially but really the whole field when taken together probably deals us a loss in most projections. Could even deal us two, and of course we could also go undefeated.

I think in like 80% of scenarios we are 11-1 or 12-0. Next most likely is 10-2 which covers a big chunk of the remaining 20%. 9-3 and under barely being a blip. Disclaimer though: these are just guesses having casually looked at some popular model predictions. Haven’t done my own serious analysis so we could totally have better chances for 12-0 than might first appear.

Georgia has one of the weakest schedules out there when you don’t include us (actually even with us it’s something ridiculous like 70th+ or something). That maybe means it could be skewing some projections and our chances are actually better.

I’m sure they do account for strength of record and such to some extent but they also rely on a number of offensive and defensive variables. The weight that they give various things could be wrong in some cases when certain stat differences are between two teams are large.

Which is to say, I’m not willing to concede that a 20% projected chance for us to beat Georgia is actually the same as a 20% projected chance for Kentucky or South Carolina to beat us. At least not until I understand their processes better.

One possibility is Georgia’s chances are skewed. Another possibility is that Georgia is actually very good but we are their only serious opponent except maybe Oregon, and if they do beat us they have an easy path to the SECCG.

If we do lose to Georgia.. Since a loss to Georgia means they are probably winning the east, this keeps us out of the SECCG in most ways the rest of the season plays out. At least in theory. Georgia is either really good like most believe and will get a chance to prove it when they play us, or they are talented but maybe not as good as advertised.

Important to remember that predictive tools are cool but imperfect, and even when they are accurate we still have non-zero chances to upset. They had Alabama looking a lot like Georgia in terms of our chance to win. Even if the models are right we still get to the SECCG and even go as far as the NC championship game at percentages that can happen.

Such tools are helpful but can and often are wrong. Pre-season sp+ iirc had us at most like 8-4 or 7-5. We have already beaten I think 3-4 teams they had us losing depending on what Florida was predicted as. Obviously it didn’t play out that way, but the tools were probably weakest pre-season and have more data to work with now.

A lot of football has been played since then which should make the tools better now, but especially when I look at a team like Georgia who has played almost noone and struggled at times I wonder if there isn’t a higher than normal probability that they are being given too much credit for many of the variables that look good on paper.

Similarly I wonder if our own chances could be underrated because some statistics that might look pedestrian compared to Georgia and other top teams (think: most of the defensive stats) have been skewed by us usually playing stronger opponents.

All of this is just conjecture of course. So.. I guess we will see.
 
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The best things that can happen to improve the Vols' chances of making the playoffs even with a loss to UGa?

1. Syracuse beats Clemson today. So cheer for the Orangemen, heh.
2. Someone, anyone, beats TCU and takes the B12 out of the conversation. Maybe K State today, maybe Texas Tech or Texas in a few weeks. So cheer for the burnt orange.
3. Ditto UCLA. Maybe Oregon takes them down today. And then Oregon loses later this season to Utah or Washington or Oregon State. So cheer for the Beaver Orange (no joke, that's really what they call it, heh).
4. Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State round-robin beat each other. And then whoever of them get to the B10 CG, they lose to Illinois (yes, Illinois...didn't say this was likely, only that it's the best thing that could happen for us) (amazingly, one of the Illini's colors are...orange. heh)

All of these are possible. The B10 sorting itself out in our favor is the least likely, but they're all possible.

If all or most of that happens, UGa and the Vols and maybe even Bama are all in it, even if the Vols lose to the Dawgs.

But screw it, let's make all of that a mute point, pre madonna, french benefits, by just beating Kentucky and then UGa. and finishing the regular season 12-0.

Go Vols!
 
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Tennessee is in at 11-1. Even ESPN predictor and FPI have >50% chance of Tennessee in the playoffs with a loss to GA and sitting out the SEC CG.
 
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Here's a projection from: Tennessee Volunteers

team-projection-10222022.png

Looks like we have better chances with this model than I recalled:

- 27.5% chance to win the SEC East
- 11.1% chance to win the SEC
- 19.1% chance to win out the regular season
- 26% chance to beat Georgia
- 85.5% chance to beat Kentucky
- 83.3% chance to beat South Carolina

This one on the other hand: 2022 College Football Power Index | ESPN

fpi-10222022.png

- 4.7% chance to win out (this includes the post-season unlike above)
- 21.8% chance to win the SEC East
- 8.3% chance to win the SEC
- 48.4% chance to make the playoffs
- 18.5% chance to make NC
- 7.1% chance to win the NC
 
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But the odds of UT doing what you describe are lower than Clemson winning out and making the playoffs. That's why their odds are better than UTs.
You're probably right, but if strength of schedule is a part of the equation, Tennessee is far and away better than Clemson's. I was cautiously optimistic about what Tennessee's record would be this year, but I felt like 10-2 was very achievable, with the 2 losses being Alabama and Georgia. Mark one off the list. And having watched a little bit of Georgia this year, I honestly feel like Tennessee will come out on top in that game. What Josh Heupel has accomplished in basically less than two years on the job is amazing. If the team stays as laser focused as they have to this point, nothing is out of reach.
 
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If Tennessee makes the SECCG i think they make the Playoffs but if they lose to Georgia it's off to the Sugar Bowl they go.
 
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My perfect scenario: beat Georgia in two weeks, beat bama again in Atlanta, get uga in the first round of the playoffs, beat them again, the beat Ohio state for the championship. Get to beat bama twice, Georgia twice, all while knocking both out of the picture. Then we can forever make ESPN cry by beating Ohio state for the title.
 

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