Mark Richt just cant figure it out...

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I can tell him... GEORGIA isn't nearly as good as he wishes. Can you believe Coach Richt is UPSET that UT jumped him in the BCS?

Wah wah wah...
 
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"It's disappointing," [Tanner] said. "I don't know why the computers have to decide where we are. We got jumped by two teams after winning against Florida in Jacksonville. That's something I don't understand."
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"I'm a supporter of letting it be decided on the field," fullback Jeremy Thomas said. "All that computer stuff is kind of baloney."
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understand this Dawgs.... TENNESSEE 19, GEORGIA 14

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You see the schedule they play and then see the one we play," Tanner said. "You wonder how teams from the WAC or Pac-10 would do in a conference like ours."

Actually, his argument missed the mark. Utah is a member of the Mountain West, not the Western Athletic Conference, and SEC teams are 2-6 against the Pac-10 since 1999.
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This one made me somewhat curious... Isn't the Pac-10 supposed to suck? That record would also probably be 1-7 if Oregon State had a competent kicker. In any event, they probably factor that in to the computer polls, which would explain the position of California.
 
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This is how the Vols have faired against non-conference teams and their current conference since 1999....

ACC 2-3
CUSA 4-0
MWC 3-0
Notre Dame 2-0
Big East 2-0
Sun Belt 2-0
WAC 2-0
Big XII 0-2
Big 10 1-0
MAC 1-0


Notice the Vols have not played against a PAC-10 team since beating UCLA in 1997.

The Vols are...
7-4-2 vs UCLA (last game: Tenn 30, UCLA 24 in 1997)
0-4 vs USC (last game: USC 43, Tenn 7 in 1981)
4-1 vs Washington State (last game: Tenn 10, Wash St 9 in 1994)
1-1 vs California (last game: Tenn 38, Cal 12 in 1987)
1-0-1 vs Oregon St (last game: Tenn 13, OSU 13 in 1978)

OVERALL, 13-10-3 vs PAC-10 teams.

The Vols have never played Washington, Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, and Stanford.


 
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Just goes to show,the computers are not bias,so keep voting for yourself in the coaches poll Richt.
 
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why are they so puzzled... it didn't seem to bother them to be ranked ahead of UT in the "human" polls after we beat them .... build a bridge and get over it! :ph34r:
 
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Richt thinks his team deserves it right out.If he could find a way to put a little push in the comptuer polls to make his team look better,he'd be doing it.
 
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I don't mean to offend any UT fans with this post, but Mark Richt is a coach with the some of the most class in college football. The thing that he was talking about was not that UT jumped us in the BCS, but why they did. There is absolutely no reason for Arizona State to be ranked ahead of us in the computers, or even Boise State. Georgia is playing in the same conference as UT which is, in my opinion the top conference in the country. I don't agree with the fact that UGA is ranked ahead of UT in the human polls, but I can promise you that we are better than 12th like they have us ranked in the computers, anyone who disagrees with this doesn't know anything about football. That is what Richt was talking about.
 
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Originally posted by BulldogFan04@Nov 4, 2004 2:46 PM
I don't mean to offend any UT fans with this post, but Mark Richt is a coach with the some of the most class in college football. The thing that he was talking about was not that UT jumped us in the BCS, but why they did. There is absolutely no reason for Arizona State to be ranked ahead of us in the computers, or even Boise State. Georgia is playing in the same conference as UT which is, in my opinion the top conference in the country. I don't agree with the fact that UGA is ranked ahead of UT in the human polls, but I can promise you that we are better than 12th like they have us ranked in the computers, anyone who disagrees with this doesn't know anything about football. That is what Richt was talking about.
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You guys hate the computer polls and we hate the human polls. :D

I think your computer ranking will improve significantly after you play Auburn and ours is probably going to drop with the games that we have remaining.
 
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I agree that the reasons for the jumps don't make any sense and Ga is better than Arizona St and Boize but the human polls are just as screwed up SEC teams in general get screwed in the polls because despite what the experts say the SEC is the toughest conference to play in ( the records against the other conference teams don't paint a true picture of having to compete in a conference year in and year out that has the level of coaching and playing talent found in the SEC) and the thing is that if the human polls gave UT the credit for beating Ga we would be ahead in the BCS anyway
 
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I agree that even if the computer polls weren't so out of whack that UT would be ahead of us if they got some respect from the human polls. I hate to admit it though, but Mark May made a good point during the halftime show of last night's game. These voters in the human polls have this top 5 in their head, and as long as they keep winning, then they will continue to stay there. UT's problem, was that they started off behind UGA in the beginning and lost big to Auburn. The week of the UGA UT game, I believe that UGA was #3 and UT was # 17, that is just too much ground to make up in one week, especially in a close game. The computers need to start taking into account margin of victory, that would boot ASU right out of the way. They have been outscored 72-7 in their two losses.
 
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My main complaint is he says the computers are getting it all wrong having his boys "so low", but do you really think he's comming out and saying "the human polls are screwy too, they've got TN behind us, even though they beat us here in Athens." The door swings both ways.
 
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I believe he is, if you have seen previous interviews, he is one of the only coaches in the country that is willing to make his vote public in the coaches poll, and I can almost guarantee you that he has UT ranked ahead of Georgia in his poll.
 
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I'd hope so. BTW, I removed calling him a fool... in hindsight, that was harsh. I think Richt is a good coach. I just hate the Dawgs. 4 years in a row of having my Aunt leave barking noises on my answering machine really chapped my A**. I got her back this year tho... :lol:
 
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Trust me, I know the feeling, I went to High School in Tennessee during the 9 year run. It wasn't until my senior year that we actually won. I got 25 phone calls within 15 minutes of the final buzzer this year.
 
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Originally posted by BulldogFan04@Nov 4, 2004 3:01 PM
The computers need to start taking into account margin of victory, that would boot ASU right out of the way. They have been outscored 72-7 in their two losses.
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Sorry, but the coaches wanted the margin of victory (mov) removed from the formulas after it was revealed that had Colorado not given up a meaningless touchdown in the final seconds of a blowout victory over some podunk team, they and not Nebraska (whom Colorado really destroyed the week before) would have been playing in the BCS Championship. MOV also may have kept Oregon out of the BCSNCG that year. A win is a win in my opinion. The computers take into account who you play, where you play, and some of them when you beat them. They also rank the conferences.... and right now, the SEC is not rated so high and the PAC 10 is? If SEC schools would quit scheduling I-AA teams, I don't think they would have a problem. Auburn may not pass Oklahoma because they played IAA The Citadel. Now Georgia is complaining, yet they played a game against IAA Georgia Southern. Notice the Vols are #4 in the computers with a similar schedule to Georgia's but the Vols don't play IAA schools.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Nov 4, 2004 3:31 PM
the Vols don't play IAA schools.
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In all fairness to GA (as much as it pains me to be fair to them) - their playing Ga Southern is not a matter of padding the schedule with a cupcake as much as it is a political move to make the fans in south Georgia happy.

Plus, that's not exactly your run of the mill 1-AA team. If you ever saw them, you'd see why no 1A teams want to play them. I'd be willing to bet that they could take down a couple of lower level SEC teams on a good day.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol+Nov 4, 2004 3:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GAVol @ Nov 4, 2004 3:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-allvol@Nov 4, 2004 3:31 PM
the Vols don&#39;t play IAA schools.
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In all fairness to GA (as much as it pains me to be fair to them) - their playing Ga Southern is not a matter of padding the schedule with a cupcake as much as it is a political move to make the fans in south Georgia happy.

Plus, that&#39;s not exactly your run of the mill 1-AA team. If you ever saw them, you&#39;d see why no 1A teams want to play them. I&#39;d be willing to bet that they could take down a couple of lower level SEC teams on a good day. [/quote]
Seems like they play in Chattanooga for the I-AA NC every other year. I know they are good, but some computers don&#39;t even count I-AA games. The others that do count them rank the I-AA teams low. Georgia Southern seems to be ranked in the 70s along with I-A teams like UNLV.

Back to not counting I-AA games.... the computers take into account wins... a win over a IAA team is a wasted win. That is why the conferences with championship games have a leg up in the computer rankings. The extra game helps. Basically, if the Vols finish 11-1.... that is seen by the computers (in the win pct category) as better than 10-1.

Back in 1998 and again in 1999, I used variations of the algorithms that the very computer rankings used in the BCS use to build my own spreadsheet ranking. The extra game helps more than you would think it would.

Another big factor that Tennessee has that Georgia does not is a big road victory. The Dawgs do have wins over South Carolina and Arkansas. The Vols beat South Carolina and Ole Miss. &#39;Bout the same. However, the Vols also have a win over Georgia. Should the Dawgs win at Auburn, I don&#39;t think they will be so concerned with the computer rankings anymore.
 
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I think it&#39;s the reasonable thing to do to have overall conference records to rank where they are... If the Pac-10 has a winning record over SEC teams, then they should be ranked higher. Period. I realize conferences have some down years, like Pac-10 this year. The probable national champions are in that conference (assuming the Vols beat AU in the SECCG), as well as Arizona State and Cal. Oregon is usually a solid team as well. Washington... yeah, they&#39;re a has-been.

Anyways, my point is that if Pac-10 schools beat SEC schools in meets, then they should be ranked higher. That means Pac-10 is usually a tougher conference, and teams have a tougher time.

This year seems to be quite the exception...
 
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The computers take that into account Milo... and that seems to be the great equalizer right now. Assuming USC loses, even if it inside the conference, I think the entire PAC10 rating will drop somewhat. That hurts Cal too, because that is their only loss.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol+Nov 4, 2004 3:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GAVol @ Nov 4, 2004 3:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-allvol@Nov 4, 2004 3:31 PM
the Vols don&#39;t play IAA schools.
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In all fairness to GA (as much as it pains me to be fair to them) - their playing Ga Southern is not a matter of padding the schedule with a cupcake as much as it is a political move to make the fans in south Georgia happy.

Plus, that&#39;s not exactly your run of the mill 1-AA team. If you ever saw them, you&#39;d see why no 1A teams want to play them. I&#39;d be willing to bet that they could take down a couple of lower level SEC teams on a good day. [/quote]
I am glad that someone noticed that Georgia Southern is no pushover. Since the Georgia loss to start the season, they are 8-0 and played the same Citadel team that Auburn played and beat them by a larger margin. Just thought that I would throw some stats out there.
September 11 Johnson C Smith W 84-3 1-1 (0-0)
September 18 Wofford W 58-14 2-1 (1-0)
September 25 at UT-Chattanooga W 51-17 3-1 (2-0)
October 2 Elon University W 48-14 4-1 (3-0)
October 9 at Western Carolina W 38-16 5-1 (4-0)
October 16 Appalachian St. W 54-7 6-1 (5-0)
October 23 at The Citadel W 42-7 7-1 (6-0)
October 30 South Dakota St W 63-7 8-1 (6-0)
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No one is debating that Ga Southern is not a good team. The fact is that some computers don&#39;t count IAA games at all.... the other that do have Ga Southern ranked in the 70&#39;s lower than teams like New Mexico St (3-5) and UNLV (2-6). Having a non-game hurts the winning percentage aspect in those formulas.... basically Georgia is seen as 6-1 instead of 7-1.... and if Georgia wins out and Tennessee wins out (including SECCG)... the Vols will be seen by some computers as 11-1, while Georgia will only be 9-1.

It boggles my mind that ever since 1998, when the BCS formula started, that teams with NC aspirations continue to schedule I-AA teams. Surely there is somebody at these Universities that analyzes the BCS and can advise the coach against scheduling IAA? If its politics... then somebody needs to advise the politicians.... unless the politicians are Ga Tech grads :D
 
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Ok,Marshall lost last night to Akron,so that doesn&#39;t help Georgia&#39;s strength of schedule.Go Wildcats. :eek:lol:
 
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Originally posted by GIVEHIM&#045;6@Nov 6, 2004 10:52 AM
Ok,Marshall lost last night to Akron,so that doesn&#39;t help Georgia&#39;s strength of schedule.Go Wildcats. :eek:lol:
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That game was unreal last night.
 
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