Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College

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Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College - Local News Updates - MetroDesk - The Boston Globe

"What we are submitting is the idea that the president should be selected by the majority of people in the United States of America," Senator James B. Eldridge, an Acton Democrat, said in introducing the bill, which was ultimately enacted by a 28-9 vote.
Under the new bill, he said, "Every vote will be of the same weight across the country."
But Senate minority leader Richard Tisei said the state was meddling with a system that was "tried and true."
"We've had a lot of bad ideas come through this chamber over the years, but this is going to be one of the worst ideas that has surfaced and actually garnered some support," said Tisei, who is also the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor.
The bill now heads to the governor's desk. A spokesman for Governor Deval Patrick said last week that the governor had "said in the past that he is supportive of the goals of the legislation, but as always he will review the legislation if and when it reaches his desk."
Under the law, which was enacted by the House last week, all 12 of the state's electoral votes would be awarded to the candidate who receives the most votes nationally.
Supporters are campaigning, state by state, to get such bills enacted. Once states possessing a majority of the electoral votes (or 270 of 538) have enacted the laws, the candidate winning the most votes nationally would be assured a majority of the Electoral College votes, no matter how the other states vote and how their electoral votes are distributed.
Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland, and Washington have already approved the legislation, according to the National Popular Vote campaign's website.
Supporters of the change say that the current Electoral College system is confusing and causes candidates to focus unduly on a handful of battleground states.
Critics say the current system is not broken. They also point to the disturbing scenario that Candidate X wins nationally, but Candidate Y has won in Massachusetts. In that case, all of the state's 12 electoral votes would go to Candidate X, the candidate who was not supported by Massachusetts voters.
Tisei also criticized the proponents for not following the normal procedures to seek a constitutional amendment.
"The thing about this that bothers me the most is it's so sneaky. This is the way that liberals do things a lot of times, very sneaky," he said. "This is sort of an end run around the Constitution."
The measure passed both branches of the Legislature in 2008 but did not make it all the way through the process.

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I wouldn't necessarily mind removing the electoral college, but implementing this kind of system in one state is rather dumb.
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I cannot wait to see MA vote for a Republican in 2012. Are they that willing to accept that a state that would vote overwhelmingly blue would have to as required by law give all electoral votes to a Republican? After one try they will kick and scream to erase the law and go back to the way it used to be for them.
 
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The better solution is the one I believe they now use in Colorado where electors can be split between the two.

Yeah, as a conservative... I can't say that I'd be displeased with Mass going this way. There's a much better chance of a conservative winning the national popular vote than winning Mass.

It will definitely be interesting if a Rep wins the popular vote but would have lost the electoral college had these states not passed this legislation.
 
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I wouldn't necessarily mind removing the electoral college, but implementing this kind of system in one state is rather dumb.
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If I recall correctly, it's not about one state. I read about this bill a few days ago in the paper. MA is like the 4th or so state to implement this kind of law. Basically, once enough states have adopted this to account for a majority of the electoral college votes, then the electoral college reps from any state that passes this kind of law would be bound to vote for the candidate that won the national popular vote.
 
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Exactly. You have candidates hanging around metro areas leaving the rest of America in the dark. Odds are neither party would ever even set foot in any of the central states and states like TN, KY, WV, etc. Dems would just campaign on the Left Coast and the Northeast with some pockets in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, etc.

I talked to a Democratic strategist about this and they figured this method could save them millions on a Presidential campaign. They just hit 10 metro areas and focus all efforts on media, mailings, GOTV, etc. Then he told me how it would be detrimental on party building outside urban and suburban areas - they lose any rural votes after that and therefore an erosion in Congress. He said while the idea is appealing for campaigning for the White House, it hurts them for Senate and House races and it will trickle down to local races as well. But he said it would hurt the GOP just as much because they would avoid the typical Blue areas and lose the few Red seats they have in those regions.

I think in the grand scheme of things, the electoral college was designed for a good reason - to distribute the weight of politics as best as can be done to where smaller regions would not hold complete dominance over the Presidential election.
 
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I like it because it gives smaller states a bigger say in Presidential elections. Without it, we could have a situation where only bigger states decide elections.
Not necessarily. What if a candidate wins a 3 vote state by a million votes and his opposition wins a 20 vote state by 3 votes? Wouldn't the people in that smaller state have more of a say if the vote didn't come down to the electoral college? Just a hypothetical.
 
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Without it, you end up with the metropolitan vote dominating results.
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Candidates would no doubt spend more time in bigger cities, but I'm not really sure the method we currently use actually gives a better representation of what the country wants, or at least each time.

I'll admit this isn't something I've really thought about much, so feel free to explain it slowly for me, but I'm just not sure how the electoral college is really that much better.
 
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Candidates would no doubt spend more time in bigger cities, but I'm not really sure the method we currently use actually gives a better representation of what the country wants, or at least each time.

I guarantee you that the Plains states get more attention now under the electoral college than they would under a popular vote method. And I guarantee you rural/farming interests benefit more from the electoral college system than they would under popular vote. The interests that would drive the election would all be based on inner city and suburbs of only the larger cities.
 
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I think candidates focus on smaller towns to avoid the "out of touch" label as well as votes. Do you think that would change that much if we switched to a popular vote system? I could see both parties holding each other in check by jumping at the chance to point out that Person A doesn't care about "real America".
 
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They'd make the run at smaller towns during the nomination process. Then by the time the post-covention/nomination aspect is finished, they focus all attention on top media markets.

Miami
Atlanta
DC/Baltimore
Philly
NYC
Boston
Chicago
Detroit
St Louis
New Orleans
Dallas
Denver
LA
San Fran
Seattle
 
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The Electoral College is needed because it is part of the checks and balance system the founding fathers created.

We need something to protect us from the fools in the GOP and Democratic Party.
 
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So far, New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland, Washington and Hawaii have passed such legislation.

This bodes well for the GOP. Get out the vote and they win states that otherwise are blue 'locks'.
 
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Yeah, but they've got to get 270 electoral votes locked up in it before it would take effect. However, if that were to happen, it would be interesting to see how much things change as a result.
 

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