Matt Rhule to Carolina Panthers

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Why exactly is Rhule so highly thought of by NFL owners/GMs? I'm not saying he's going to suck in the NFL, and he's won at a couple places in college football where it is difficult to win, but there are other college coaches you can say that about. Outside of one year as the NY Giants assistant O-line coach, he's been at the college level his whole career. What gives?
 
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I believe since you can’t use recruiting as a crutch in the NFL and you have to win with what you have...they like to hire coaches who have proven they can win with what they have.

It’s why a guy like Schiano or Doug Marrone were more heavily sought after by NFL teams than someone like an Urban Meyer in years past.

I think Rhule has been a pretty good example of that. Not saying he will work out, but I think that’s the logic anyway.
 
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He's done a fantastic job with Baylor. They were dead-to-rights when he took over and has led probably the biggest turnaround in college history.

However, generally speaking, college coaches don't do well in the NFL long-term. It's a completely different world. Spurrier, Saban, etc. Usually they don't translate.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I believe since you can’t use recruiting as a crutch in the NFL and you have to win with what you have...they like to hire coaches who have proven they can win with what they have.

It’s why a guy like Schiano or Doug Marrone were more heavily sought after by NFL teams than someone like an Urban Meyer in years past.

I think Rhule has been a pretty good example of that. Not saying he will work out, but I think that’s the logic anyway.
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Rhule's recruiting has been suprisingly terrible. They have the #55 class in the country for 2020 and they're #35 in composite talent rankings which is about where they've lived since even the Art Briles years.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I believe since you can’t use recruiting as a crutch in the NFL and you have to win with what you have...they like to hire coaches who have proven they can win with what they have.

It’s why a guy like Schiano or Doug Marrone were more heavily sought after by NFL teams than someone like an Urban Meyer in years past.

I think Rhule has been a pretty good example of that. Not saying he will work out, but I think that’s the logic anyway.
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Makes sense, but both Schiano and Marrone were huge flame outs. Figured maybe people would think that route isn't such a great idea after all.

The 3 coaches who have won both a Super Bowl and a college national title (Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll) all came from big time college programs that recruited at a high level.
 
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agent|orange said:
Rhule's recruiting has been suprisingly terrible. They have the #55 class in the country for 2020 and they're #35 in composite talent rankings which is about where they've lived since even the Art Briles years.
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I'm not surprised he's recruited terribly. Baylor never has recruited at a very high level, even when Briles was there. After the scandal and Briles's firing, nobody wanted to touch Baylor.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm not surprised he's recruited terribly. Baylor never has recruited at a very high level, even when Briles was there. After the scandal and Briles's firing, nobody wanted to touch Baylor.
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#55 for your 3rd year when you've had the dramatic turnaround that Baylor has had is pretty bad. They're usually in the 3-4 4* players every class.... they only have 1 barely-there 4* in this class.

They're usually in the 30s. #55 is pretty bad.
 
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agent|orange said:
#55 for your 3rd year when you've had the dramatic turnaround that Baylor has had is pretty bad. They're usually in the 3-4 4* players every class.... they only have 1 barely-there 4* in this class.

They're usually in the 30s. #55 is pretty bad.
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They did have that huge turnaround this year, but it's also just one year, and when people think of Baylor they still think of the scandal (or at least I do). Also, you've got Herman and Jimbo to contend with now at the 2 big in-state schools, and while they've both been underwhelming on the field they are great recruiters who more or less are taking the guys they want from within Texas.
 
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05_never_again said:
They did have that huge turnaround this year, but it's also just one year, and when people think of Baylor they still think of the scandal (or at least I do). Also, you've got Herman and Jimbo to contend with now at the 2 big in-state schools, and while they've both been underwhelming on the field they are great recruiters who more or less are taking the guys they want from within Texas.
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TBH, I think Rhule is simply going for the paycheck. I think he wanted the PSU job and Franklin looks to be staying.
 
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agent|orange said:
He's done a fantastic job with Baylor. They were dead-to-rights when he took over and has led probably the biggest turnaround in college history.

However, generally speaking, college coaches don't do well in the NFL long-term. It's a completely different world. Spurrier, Saban, etc. Usually they don't translate.
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They were not dead. He had a losing record there. He may do very well in the NFL, but I do not understand the hype. What he did at Temple is more impressive.

2019 Matt Rhule (11-3) Sugar Bowl-L
2018 Matt Rhule (7-6) Texas Bowl-W
2017 Matt Rhule (1-11)
2016 Jim Grobe (7-6) Cactus Bowl-W
2015 Art Briles (10-3) Russell Athletic Bowl-W
 
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superdave1984 said:
They were not dead. He had a losing record there. He may do very well in the NFL, but I do not understand the hype. What he did at Temple is more impressive.

2019 Matt Rhule (11-3) Sugar Bowl-L
2018 Matt Rhule (7-6) Texas Bowl-W
2017 Matt Rhule (1-11)
2016 Jim Grobe (7-6) Cactus Bowl-W
2015 Art Briles (10-3) Russell Athletic Bowl-W
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He had a losing record, but let's be real, you have to throw out that 2017 season. There was a mass exodus from the previous team and no recruit worth their salt wanted to go there. What he did in 2018 and 2019 is really impressive, but having said that it doesn't explain why NFL teams are so interested in him. His NFL experience consists of a single season where he was the Giants' assistant O-line coach. What he did is impressive, but it also isn't incredibly uncommon - in any given year there is some coach somewhere who pulls off a turnaround job and gets attention for it, but not necessarily NFL interest.

I'd be surprised if he's really successful in Carolina, mostly because as @agent|orange says college to pro typically doesn't translate. It's the exception when it works. Plus, Carolina is paying him about $8.5m/year, which seems nuts.
 
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agent|orange said:
#55 for your 3rd year when you've had the dramatic turnaround that Baylor has had is pretty bad. They're usually in the 3-4 4* players every class.... they only have 1 barely-there 4* in this class.

They're usually in the 30s. #55 is pretty bad.
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It usually takes a year for turn around to come in to play for recruits. Look at Clemsons class this year after they won the NC last year.

For most kids the relationships are going to win out of wins. At least the ones that make up a majority of ones class. There are very few who flip to a school because of a win more or less.
 
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agent|orange said:
#55 for your 3rd year when you've had the dramatic turnaround that Baylor has had is pretty bad. They're usually in the 3-4 4* players every class.... they only have 1 barely-there 4* in this class.

They're usually in the 30s. #55 is pretty bad.
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No stability with Rhule interviewing for NFL jobs every season he was at Baylor.

2017: Colts
2018: Jets
2019: Panthers (Giants)

Other programs we're using that against him in recruiting. Finally caught up to him this cycle.
 
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I like Matt Rhule a lot. I think he’s a good coach, actually a very good coach.

I hate for college football to lose a guy like Matt Rhule to the NFL . I’ve seen a handful of his interviews this season and he’s a sharp guy who was a great ambassador for the college game. We need more guys like Rhule for the betterment of the college game.

All that stuff said, $8.5 per is excessive for a coach that hasn’t won a Title or his own conference. Lots of questions for the Panthers this offseason.
 
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05_never_again said:
They did have that huge turnaround this year, but it's also just one year, and when people think of Baylor they still think of the scandal (or at least I do). Also, you've got Herman and Jimbo to contend with now at the 2 big in-state schools, and while they've both been underwhelming on the field they are great recruiters who more or less are taking the guys they want from within Texas.
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Actually one could say he had two years of turnaround at Baylor and multiple years of increased wins at Temple.
 
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