May 1st

[Crakaveli]

BUY AMERICA BACK! .. because MAY DAY IS PAY DAY!!!

On May 1st, 2006... "Illegal" non-citizens in this country are going to stage a protest. A protest against America. Against American citizens that who believe we need stronger border security, and tougher laws concerning those who break them and enter this country "illegally". They are going to take the day off from their "illegal" jobs and not spend money in order to show our congress how much we really depend on their "criminal" activity.

Unfortunately, "legal" working citizens in this country won't be able to take the day off and counter protest. Mostly because we'll be busy that day doing "those jobs that American's won't do". So let's all get together and remind our elected officials who really is the "life blood" of this great country. Let's declare May 1st, 2006 the day we...

Let's get out there on May 1st, 2006 and show our elected officials who really controls the "power of the purse". It is we, the hard working, "legal" citizen's of this country that have worked hardest, obeyed our countries laws, paid our taxes, and made this country strong!

Hold back on purchasing any big ticket item's until May 1st, 2006!!! Do all your shopping on that day. Let's make this the biggest sales day since Christmas! Let us band together and refuse to allow our economy to be affected by this criminal activity.

... because MAY DAY IS PAY DAY!

 

[Crakaveli]

we should boycott stinko de mayo.

why would we celebrate mexico's independence?

 

[Crakaveli]

i've been informed that stinko de mayo isnt mexican independence but just another excuse for them to get drunk.

 

[utvolpj]

i've been informed that stinko de mayo isnt mexican independence but just another excuse for them to get drunk.

So I am celebrating it for the right reason! :toast:

 

[Crakaveli]

can I have this topic pinned?

http://www.markchristopher.net/May_Day/MAY_DAY.pdf

print em out, pass em out and/or email it to everybody and tell them to pass it on

 

[Jasongivm6]

can I have this topic pinned?

http://www.markchristopher.net/May_Day/MAY_DAY.pdf

print em out, pass em out and/or email it to everybody and tell them to pass it on

From Indianapolis

Marchers fired from jobs

 

[Crakaveli]

i heard something about that.

if they're jobs were so important then why do they keep skipping work to protest?

 

[vader]

This message brought to you by Wal-mart. jk.

I am closing on a house on May 12. Don't think I can move that up though.

 

[kiddiedoc]

we should boycott stinko de mayo.

why would we celebrate mexico's independence?

I was in Cozymel on May 5 a couple of years ago, and there wasn't even the slightest hint of a celebration. I'm betting that the whole thing is a beer-selling scam staged by Corona and Dos Equis.

 

[Crakaveli]

As you no doubt know, illegal aliens and their handlers plan to hold their next Senate intimidation rallies on May 1, better known as the Marxist holiday of “May Day.” The May Day campaign will consist of yet more anti-law-enforcement marches and a nationwide “boycott” of shopping. The aim of the boycott is to demonstrate the purchasing power of the 11 million immigration criminals demanding amnesty. The boycott will also include a general strike by immigration criminals, who are being encouraged to skip work that day. Now it appears that illegal aliens are here to just skip the jobs that no American is willing to skip.

If the boycott and strike are successful, this means that May 1 will be A DAY WITHOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS! Lines will be shorter. Clerks will all speak English. Businesses that have been honest enough to hire legal residents will be poised to finally enjoy a competitive advantage! It will be morning again in America. Every actual American should make a point to get out and support those businesses and counteract the criminal boycott movement.

Spend like a congressman! Spend like George W. Bush! Heck, spend like Teddy Kennedy on a junket to a distillers’ convention. Spend in freedom and order in a mall or Wal-Mart near you.

Show the doubters that a day without illegal aliens is not a crisis, it’s just a good start. And spread the word. Forward this notice or send out your own. Let it be shouted, in clear unaccented English, from every mountaintop and blog: SPEND, GRINGOS, SPEND!

Lastly, be sure to make note of which businesses can still function on a day without illegal aliens, so that you can patronize them everyday for a long time. Let’s turn the day without illegal aliens into an everyday thing.

TO THE WAL-MART, COMRADES!

 

[milohimself]

I'll pass

 

[therealUT]

As you no doubt know, illegal aliens and their handlers plan to hold their next Senate intimidation rallies on May 1, better known as the Marxist holiday of “May Day.” The May Day campaign will consist of yet more anti-law-enforcement marches and a nationwide “boycott” of shopping. The aim of the boycott is to demonstrate the purchasing power of the 11 million immigration criminals demanding amnesty. The boycott will also include a general strike by immigration criminals, who are being encouraged to skip work that day. Now it appears that illegal aliens are here to just skip the jobs that no American is willing to skip.

If the boycott and strike are successful, this means that May 1 will be A DAY WITHOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS! Lines will be shorter. Clerks will all speak English. Businesses that have been honest enough to hire legal residents will be poised to finally enjoy a competitive advantage! It will be morning again in America. Every actual American should make a point to get out and support those businesses and counteract the criminal boycott movement.

Spend like a congressman! Spend like George W. Bush! Heck, spend like Teddy Kennedy on a junket to a distillers’ convention. Spend in freedom and order in a mall or Wal-Mart near you.

Show the doubters that a day without illegal aliens is not a crisis, it’s just a good start. And spread the word. Forward this notice or send out your own. Let it be shouted, in clear unaccented English, from every mountaintop and blog: SPEND, GRINGOS, SPEND!

Lastly, be sure to make note of which businesses can still function on a day without illegal aliens, so that you can patronize them everyday for a long time. Let’s turn the day without illegal aliens into an everyday thing.

TO THE WAL-MART, COMRADES!

First, I would like to address the issue of illegal immigrants demanding amnesty. Illegal immigrants were not demanding amnesty until the past month. In other words, this was not an issue until a bunch of legal American citizens, who apparently have no jobs, decided to call themselves the 'minutemen' and head to Arizona and New Mexico to patrol our border themselves. As I know it, vigilantes are illegal in this country.

The second point I would like to make, is your clearly racist tones in your post do not in any way help your cause.

A lot of people on this board seem to think that taking the 'legal immigration' approach is the preferred method. Right now, the U.S. grants 1 million immigrants citizenship a year. To gain a work visa you have to have proof of a job waiting for you in America. Then, the beauracratic process takes anywhere between 8 to 15 months before you are legally allowed in. How many employers do you know that would hold your job for a year?

Economically speaking, employment of illegal immigrants is what is keeping our standard of living in America at the level it is. Standard of living, being a function of personal income and consumer price index, will be severly hindered if illegal immigrants are denied jobs and shipped back to their countries of origin. Right now, we have around 5% unemployment in America and we have roughly 11 million employed illegal immigrants. Those jobs will not be replaced in America...companies will either cut back (i.e. shut down locations) or become ex-patriots (move their manufacturing plants overseas.) The former leads to less competition, which leads to higher prices, which raises the consumer price index, which lowers our standard of living. The latter leads to higher transportation costs, which leads to higher prices, which leads to a higher consumer price index, lower standard of living.

 

[utvolpj]

Economically speaking, employment of illegal immigrants is what is keeping our standard of living in America at the level it is. Standard of living, being a function of personal income and consumer price index, will be severly hindered if illegal immigrants are denied jobs and shipped back to their countries of origin. Right now, we have around 5% unemployment in America and we have roughly 11 million employed illegal immigrants. Those jobs will not be replaced in America...companies will either cut back (i.e. shut down locations) or become ex-patriots (move their manufacturing plants overseas.) The former leads to less competition, which leads to higher prices, which raises the consumer price index, which lowers our standard of living. The latter leads to higher transportation costs, which leads to higher prices, which leads to a higher consumer price index, lower standard of living.

You're off on the true impact.

Immigration is not evenly balanced across groups of workers that have the same education but differ in their work experience, and the nature of the supply imbalance changes over time. This paper develops a new approach for estimating the labor market impact of immigration by exploiting this variation in supply shifts across education-experience groups. I assume that similarly educated workers with different levels of experience participate in a national labor market and are not perfect substitutes. The analysis indicates that immigration lowers the wage of competing workers: a 10 percent increase in supply reduces wages by 3 to 4 percent.
-George Borjas, Harvard Univ.

The effect of massive immigration would drive down wages for unskilled/undereducated workers. This drives the lower class further down. It also begins to put a huge strain on welfare.

Borjas also says that between 1980-2000 US workers lost an average of 3% of the real value of their wages and almost 9% for native workers without a HS degree. However, this did slightly increase wages of the college graduate. This is what is causing the erosion of the middle-class American and skewing the distribution of wealth. It's an education problem. Maybe Mexico should figure this out and fix it rather than relying on the US to fix it.

Link to paper by Mr. Borjas

 

[therealUT]

You're off on the true impact.
The effect of massive immigration would drive down wages for unskilled/undereducated workers. This drives the lower class further down. It also begins to put a huge strain on welfare.

Borjas also says that between 1980-2000 US workers lost an average of 3% of the real value of their wages and almost 9% for native workers without a HS degree. However, this did slightly increase wages of the college graduate. This is what is causing the erosion of the middle-class American and skewing the distribution of wealth. It's an education problem. Maybe Mexico should figure this out and fix it rather than relying on the US to fix it.

Link to paper by Mr. Borjas

I am sorry, I thought American was set up on the premise of free-market capitalism...I could really care less about high school dropouts who can not find a job that pays them enough. To pass high school, all one has to do is show up.

Here is the best solution: Get rid of all minimum wage legislation and all welfare programs (to include medicare, medicaid, and social security.)

 

[therealUT]

However, this did slightly increase wages of the college graduate. This is what is causing the erosion of the middle-class American and skewing the distribution of wealth.

Also, that whole 'no middle class'/'skewed distribution of wealth' argument sounds more than a little Marxist to me...

If you desire a socialist state and desire to live somewhere where the government will take care of you if you can't complete a high school curriculum, them move to one of the many hot beds of socialism that exist in this world. However, do not try to change the basis of the American economic system.

 

[utvolpj]

I am sorry, I thought American was set up on the premise of free-market capitalism...I could really care less about high school dropouts who can not find a job that pays them enough. To pass high school, all one has to do is show up.

Here is the best solution: Get rid of all minimum wage legislation and all welfare programs (to include medicare, medicaid, and social security.)

What do you think the education level of the immigrants running across the border is? I doubt they are college educated and will benefit for this massive influx of labor. Free-market? Maybe, but do we really want to drive down the wages for the lower-class? I'm all for capitalism but the CEO making $100 million a year is NOT what drives this economy.

While I am not a fan of the welfare state we seem to have created, I also know it is a necessary part of any stable country. Get rid of that and the South may damn well rise again!

 

[utvolpj]

Also, that whole 'no middle class'/'skewed distribution of wealth' argument sounds more than a little Marxist to me...

If you desire a socialist state and desire to live somewhere where the government will take care of you if you can't complete a high school curriculum, them move to one of the many hot beds of socialism that exist in this world. However, do not try to change the basis of the American economic system.

My point is exactly that. What has always made the US different is the existance of a middle-class. I see no way to drive the lower-class down through lower wages and still maintain a middle class. It will become an either/or situation and I am pretty sure where most will fall.

 

[therealUT]

What do you think the education level of the immigrants running across the border is? I doubt they are college educated and will benefit for this massive influx of labor. Free-market? Maybe, but do we really want to drive down the wages for the lower-class? I'm all for capitalism but the CEO making $100 million a year is NOT what drives this economy.

While I am not a fan of the welfare state we seem to have created, I also know it is a necessary part of any stable country. Get rid of that and the South may damn well rise again!

In one word: yes!

Sorry, but that is called 'wage competition' and if there is someone who is willing to do the job for less money, then they win. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it fair? Yes

Also, you fail to realize that higher wages (especially on the lowest level) lead to higher costs and higher prices, and therefore, less spending power. Wages are relative to how much spending power they are worth.

 

[utvolpj]

Those jobs will not be replaced in America...companies will either cut back (i.e. shut down locations) or become ex-patriots (move their manufacturing plants overseas.) The former leads to less competition, which leads to higher prices, which raises the consumer price index, which lowers our standard of living. The latter leads to higher transportation costs, which leads to higher prices, which leads to a higher consumer price index, lower standard of living.

If you desire a socialist state and desire to live somewhere where the government will take care of you if you can't complete a high school curriculum, them move to one of the many hot beds of socialism that exist in this world. However, do not try to change the basis of the American economic system.

You are contradicting yourself with those 2 statements.

 

[utvolpj]

In one word: yes!

Sorry, but that is called 'wage competition' and if there is someone who is willing to do the job for less money, then they win. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it fair? Yes

Also, you fail to realize that higher wages (especially on the lowest level) lead to higher costs and higher prices, and therefore, less spending power. Wages are relative to how much spending power they are worth.

Kathie Lee Gifford will love that America.

I think that, as Americans, we are better than that. I do not want to see sweatshops popping up in our country that pay $1 per day and completely decimate our standard of living.

Is our way better or should we stoop to the level of those 3rd world countries? Clearly we are on different sides of that argument.

 

[therealUT]

My point is exactly that. What has always made the US different is the existance of a middle-class. I see no way to drive the lower-class down through lower wages and still maintain a middle class. It will become an either/or situation and I am pretty sure where most will fall.

We didn't have minimum wages until the latter half of the 20th century, and I am pretty sure most Americans did alright.

I also have to disagree with you on your assessment of "what has always made the US different."

 

[therealUT]

You are contradicting yourself with those 2 statements.

I most definitely am not.

 

[utvolpj]

We didn't have minimum wages until the latter half of the 20th century, and I am pretty sure most Americans did alright.

I also have to disagree with you on your assessment of "what has always made the US different."

Well, I have always felt a thriving middle-class has been a big difference between the US and others. Maybe I'm wrong but I see very few countries w/ one.

I most definitely am not.

Sorry I read it wrong. It was and if/then statement and I ignored the "if" part. :blush2: