Maybe CBP needs to call out Hopson now!

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Seriously, 1 point last night and only 3 shots. He played well the first 4 games, but hasn't done anything lately. Maybe the coach needs to call him out like he did Prince in the media. Prince responded with 17 last night.

I just don't get this team yet. We have three players that could dominate (Smith, Chism, and Hopson) but they are not aggressive and look for their shots. Hopson is not agressive at all, Smith passes up open looks at 3's and looks to pass before shooting, and Chism could dominate inside if he would stay in the paint.

To be the best that we can be, we need for these players to take over and carry the team. Each is capable of scoring 15 every night.
 
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Pearl is turning out to be another Jerry Green it looks like. Loads of talent and total inability to control them.
 
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orangegrass said:
Pearl is turning out to be another Jerry Green it looks like. Loads of talent and total inability to control them.
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In a way, you are right, but our talent right now just seems to be overrated. Hopson's frame and athleticism alone helped him dominate Kentucky high school ball, but that hasn't translated at all into college ball. There is no way he should have been the 5th overall player in the nation. Woolridge and Jurick were overrated. Ramar Smith and Duke Crews were overrated. But still, he has the talent and isn't winning the games that really matter (outside of Florida and Memphis during the regular season a couple of times).
 
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be patient peeps The sec schedule is not far off, I believe that is when you will see them step it up
 
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tonyvolsfan05 said:
be patient peeps The sec schedule is not far off, I believe that is when you will see them step it up
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I see your point to wait and see what we do when the game is on the line.

But Hopson should be a go to guy anytime we need him. Last night he wasn't. That worries me.

This isn't just Hopson's fault. It's CBP's too.
 
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ALock4UT said:
In a way, you are right, but our talent right now just seems to be overrated. Hopson's frame and athleticism alone helped him dominate Kentucky high school ball, but that hasn't translated at all into college ball. There is no way he should have been the 5th overall player in the nation. Woolridge and Jurick were overrated. Ramar Smith and Duke Crews were overrated. But still, he has the talent and isn't winning the games that really matter (outside of Florida and Memphis during the regular season a couple of times).
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It's getting hard for me to keep believing that all our top players brought here are all overrated.
 
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i hate to keep beating a dead horse... but then again i kinda like it too.

many talented offensive players need RHYTHM/confidence to get going. RHTYHM/confidence primarily comes from MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

guys.... WE HAVE NO FKKIN MOVEMENT IN OUR OFFENSE. scotty generally goes to one wing and stands there until someone passes him the ball. he doesn't look ready to shoot or drive... he generally doesn't catch the ball in a way that looks like he's in RHYTHM to do anything with it.

in a well drilled, well coached, purposeful half-court offense... the players on the floor know WHO and WHERE the coach/offense wants them to score. they move the ball and work the ENTIRE floor back and forth until one of those players comes open in a way they know "this is my shot".

our guys stand around and watch chism and maze pass it back and forth 25 feet from the basket.

this is why tyler and hopson look so terrible on offense. no movement, no rhythm, no confidence... just frustration.

the fact chism is somehow in a better position to get up his "threes" and hopson is not... is just plain terrible coaching. it's about 25% player dependant and 75% coaching. i honestly can't figure out how CBP can stand to watch his biggest guy jack up threes at a 33% success rate... when his 5 star "1 and doner" is not involved in the offense.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
i hate to keep beating a dead horse... but then again i kinda like it too.

many talented offensive players need RHYTHM/confidence to get going. RHTYHM/confidence primarily comes from MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

guys.... WE HAVE NO FKKIN MOVEMENT IN OUR OFFENSE. scotty generally goes to one wing and stands there until someone passes him the ball. he doesn't look ready to shoot or drive... he generally doesn't catch the ball in a way that looks like he's in RHYTHM to do anything with it.

in a well drilled, well coached, purposeful half-court offense... the players on the floor know WHO and WHERE the coach/offense wants them to score. they move the ball and work the ENTIRE floor back and forth until one of those players comes open in a way they know "this is my shot".

our guys stand around and watch chism and maze pass it back and forth 25 feet from the basket.

this is why tyler and hopson look so terrible on offense. no movement, no rhythm, no confidence... just frustration.

the fact chism is somehow in a better position to get up his "threes" and hopson is not... is just plain terrible coaching. it's about 25% player dependant and 75% coaching. i honestly can't figure out how CBP can stand to watch his biggest guy jack up threes at a 33% success rate... when his 5 star "1 and doner" is not involved in the offense.
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+1

Well said.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
i hate to keep beating a dead horse... but then again i kinda like it too.

many talented offensive players need RHYTHM/confidence to get going. RHTYHM/confidence primarily comes from MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

guys.... WE HAVE NO FKKIN MOVEMENT IN OUR OFFENSE. scotty generally goes to one wing and stands there until someone passes him the ball. he doesn't look ready to shoot or drive... he generally doesn't catch the ball in a way that looks like he's in RHYTHM to do anything with it.

in a well drilled, well coached, purposeful half-court offense... the players on the floor know WHO and WHERE the coach/offense wants them to score. they move the ball and work the ENTIRE floor back and forth until one of those players comes open in a way they know "this is my shot".

our guys stand around and watch chism and maze pass it back and forth 25 feet from the basket.

this is why tyler and hopson look so terrible on offense. no movement, no rhythm, no confidence... just frustration.

the fact chism is somehow in a better position to get up his "threes" and hopson is not... is just plain terrible coaching. it's about 25% player dependant and 75% coaching. i honestly can't figure out how CBP can stand to watch his biggest guy jack up threes at a 33% success rate... when his 5 star "1 and doner" is not involved in the offense.
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That sums it up very nicely!
 
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The pressure on Hop's in enormous. I think its getting to him. Maybe Peyton Manning should give a pregame speech.
 
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ALock4UT said:
In a way, you are right, but our talent right now just seems to be overrated. Hopson's frame and athleticism alone helped him dominate Kentucky high school ball, but that hasn't translated at all into college ball. There is no way he should have been the 5th overall player in the nation. Woolridge and Jurick were overrated. Ramar Smith and Duke Crews were overrated. But still, he has the talent and isn't winning the games that really matter (outside of Florida and Memphis during the regular season a couple of times).
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There's always talk about "Wait until he gets his players here". Well Bruce's recruits are all here. He wanted these guys, and the record took a slight hit after the blue collar guys Lofton, Ramar, and JaJuan left :question: Serious question, who recruited Lofton and the 2 Smiths?
 
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BasketVolKid said:
i hate to keep beating a dead horse... but then again i kinda like it too.

many talented offensive players need RHYTHM/confidence to get going. RHTYHM/confidence primarily comes from MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

guys.... WE HAVE NO FKKIN MOVEMENT IN OUR OFFENSE. scotty generally goes to one wing and stands there until someone passes him the ball. he doesn't look ready to shoot or drive... he generally doesn't catch the ball in a way that looks like he's in RHYTHM to do anything with it.

in a well drilled, well coached, purposeful half-court offense... the players on the floor know WHO and WHERE the coach/offense wants them to score. they move the ball and work the ENTIRE floor back and forth until one of those players comes open in a way they know "this is my shot".

our guys stand around and watch chism and maze pass it back and forth 25 feet from the basket.

this is why tyler and hopson look so terrible on offense. no movement, no rhythm, no confidence... just frustration.

the fact chism is somehow in a better position to get up his "threes" and hopson is not... is just plain terrible coaching. it's about 25% player dependant and 75% coaching. i honestly can't figure out how CBP can stand to watch his biggest guy jack up threes at a 33% success rate... when his 5 star "1 and doner" is not involved in the offense.
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This is a stupid post. I don't care for our style of offense either, but I didn't see you complaining about the lack of movement here when Hopson was shooting 70% from three. If there is a positive about our offense, it is that it spreads the floor enough to allow dribble penetration and good looks from three. Hopson's problems do not arise from our offensive scheme. They are in his head.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
This is a stupid post. I don't care for our style of offense either, but I didn't see you complaining about the lack of movement here when Hopson was shooting 70% from three. If there is a positive about our offense, it is that it spreads the floor enough to allow dribble penetration and good looks from three. Hopson's problems do not arise from our offensive scheme. They are in his head.
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We don't seem to do this enough to open up for the 3 ball. We just pass around for 25 seconds and hope for the best.
 
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lylsmorr said:
We don't seem to do this enough to open up for the 3 ball. We just pass around for 25 seconds and hope for the best.
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Agreed. We wait far too long getting into our sets. However, I was just pointing out that although the offensive scheme leaves a lot to be desired, I certainly don't think it is Hopson's problem.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
This is a stupid post. I don't care for our style of offense either, but I didn't see you complaining about the lack of movement here when Hopson was shooting 70% from three. If there is a positive about our offense, it is that it spreads the floor enough to allow dribble penetration and good looks from three. Hopson's problems do not arise from our offensive scheme. They are in his head.
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i've been complaining about our half court offense since post #1.


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We don't seem to do this enough to open up for the 3 ball. We just pass around for 25 seconds and hope for the best.
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Originally Posted by kiffinator13
Agreed. We wait far too long getting into our sets. However, I was just pointing out that although the offensive scheme leaves a lot to be desired, I certainly don't think it is Hopson's problem.
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so u agree we waste 25 seconds of meaningless chism to maze, maze to chism, 25 feet from the basket. and you say yourself our offesive scheme leaves a lot to be desired.

and i say... those two reasons are why our 5 star "1 and doner" and our supposed "lottery hopeful" are averaging a pedestrian 13.9 and 12.5 points per game. both seem incapable of taking over a game. here's a good line pearl can use to lure other 5 star shooting guards... " come to UT mr. 5 star 1 and doner... i promise, when the game is on the line... you can watch our center jack up a 3."

at the college level... when its all on the players to "make it happen"... it just means your coaching and scheme SUCK... and your team will be inconsistent.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
i've been complaining about our half court offense since post #1.





so u agree we waste 25 seconds of meaningless chism to maze, maze to chism, 25 feet from the basket. and you say yourself our offesive scheme leaves a lot to be desired.

and i say... those two reasons are why our 5 star "1 and doner" and our supposed "lottery hopeful" are averaging a pedestrian 13.9 and 12.5 points per game. both seem incapable of taking over a game. here's a good line pearl can use to lure other 5 star shooting guards... " come to UT mr. 5 star 1 and doner... i promise, when the game is on the line... you can watch our center jack up a 3."

at the college level... when its all on the players to "make it happen"... it just means your coaching and scheme SUCK... and your team will be inconsistent.
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And I say you are wrong. The reason Hopson isn't playing well is because he is tentative and does not have a scorer's mentality. I didn't see the scheme hurting Lofton's ppg. What the scheme hurts is consistency in our shot selection, but it does give the guards tons of freedom, and someone like Hopson ought to be averaging 17-20ppg out of that scheme.
 
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why is tyler averaging 12.5.... while hansborough averaged 20 ppg last year? talent? athleticism? scorer's mentality?

lofton averaged more because his junior year (his best year) he was all we had. you'd see him constantly moving and running off screens.... MOVEMENT. the offense was more tailored to get him open. at least 50% of our half-court possessions with lofton in the game were purposed to get him a shot.... SCHEME.

... he also played 30 min per game compared to hopsons 25.

our half court offense is putrid. if you think the scheme and lack of movement and purpose doesn't affect a shooter/scorer... all i can assume is that you haven't played much organized b-ball... or if you did... you weren't a shooter/scorer.

i leave you with this....

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Bruce ran this offense at the University of Southern Indiana in Evansville, IN and was very successful. He then took it to University of Milwaukee Wisconsin and was successful. I played for Bruce 2 years at the University of Southern Indiana, and his philosophy is really not to score out of the flex offense (maybe a easy basket sometimes) but to have the defense work laterally for 20 seconds or so and then go into a play call. By doing this the entire game and his "55" pressure, by the second half teams will not have the depth UT has. This offense might not look like it is working but he is wanting to score off a play call or fastbreak.
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the bold text won't ever work with 5 star players and versus the other 5 star players of elite programs.

it's why tyler and hopson's production is much lower than expected and why their draft stock and nba potential has many more doubters.

should be interesting to see what happens when our team actually faces a string of teams who have competitive talent and are coached to play tough D.... will it be any different than last year... or the year before? will tyler and hopson's production increase versus tougher competition?
 
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BasketVolKid said:
why is tyler averaging 12.5.... while hansborough averaged 20 ppg last year? talent? athleticism? scorer's mentality?

lofton averaged more because his junior year (his best year) he was all we had. you'd see him constantly moving and running off screens.... MOVEMENT. the offense was more tailored to get him open. at least 50% of our half-court possessions with lofton in the game were purposed to get him a shot.... SCHEME.

... he also played 30 min per game compared to hopsons 25.

our half court offense is putrid. if you think the scheme and lack of movement and purpose doesn't affect a shooter/scorer... all i can assume is that you haven't played much organized b-ball... or if you did... you weren't a shooter/scorer.

i leave you with this....



the bold text won't ever work with 5 star players and versus the other 5 star players of elite programs.

it's why tyler and hopson's production is much lower than expected and why their draft stock and nba potential has many more doubters.

should be interesting to see what happens when our team actually faces a string of teams who have competitive talent and are coached to play tough D.... will it be any different than last year... or the year before? will tyler and hopson's production increase versus tougher competition?
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Probably because he shoots it less this year. Why did he average 19ppg last year?
 
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your thinking seems to be... "put talented players on the floor. and then it's up to them to make it happen."

that seems to be CBP philosophy too. it hasn't worked to well against other elite talent... especially in march.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
your thinking seems to be... "put talented players and the floor. and then it's up to them to make it happen."

that seems to be CBP philosophy too. it hasn't worked to well against other elite talent... especially in march.
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You're completely missing my point. Our offensive scheme will not bring success without some tweaking; however, to blame Hopson's poor play on the scheme is ridiculous. He just isn't playing well. Blame things like shotclock violations and end of game shot selection on the offensive scheme; don't blame Hopson's confidence issues on it.
 
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i gave hopson 25% responsibility for his lack of production recently... he has some of the blame. but it's obvious hopson is not jordan, anthony, wade, durant, beasley etc. and honestly, who, except for those type of players, can shine in our current out of sync, joke of a half-court O.

do u think hansborough is gonna score 20 a game in this stall, flex, stand around, no rhythm offense?

a scheme can absolutely affect a players production in a positive or negative way.

hopson may not have a killer instinct (ie he's not jordan, anthony, etc etc). it seems obvious to me that he and tyler... and our whole freekin team for that matter... NEED a scheme that demands ball movement and player movement.... which automatically creates RHYTHM AND FLOW.
 
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