Maybe the most honest TP article yet

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Simple... but honest.

The attempts to demonize the TP by the left have been effective. However their main and almost exclusive thrust is an ideal that the vast majority of Americans agree with:

Columnists | Tea party gets bad rap for telling truth | The Detroit News

It is a shame that lies and propaganda by well oiled machines can do this to simple, honest people trying to participate constructively in the "system". My how we have fallen.
 
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I think that the fiscal conservativism ideals of the TP are perfectly fine and their input on that front is indeed welcome. But there is a holier-than-thou attitude attached to it, an arrogance and refusal to compromise, that is really creating this opening for the Democrats to paint them as irrational extremists.

In that respect, the TP has only itself to blame for negative press.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think that the fiscal conservativism ideals of the TP are perfectly fine and their input on that front is indeed welcome. But there is a holier-than-thou attitude attached to it, an arrogance and refusal to compromise, that is really creating this opening for the Democrats to paint them as irrational extremists.

In that respect, the TP has only itself to blame for negative press.
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Let's be clear, by "compromise" you mean abandon their belief that the Federal Gov't should cut spending, regulations, and social programs.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Let's be clear, by "compromise" you mean abandon their belief that the Federal Gov't should cut spending, regulations, and social programs.
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No. By compromise I mean that the Dems agree to cut spending and regulation and the GOP agree to remove or reduce the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest, all in a concerted effort to a) create long term momentum for balancing the budget; and b) restoring confidence in the markets that level headed approaches can prevail.

The Dems did their part. A lot of Republican standard-bearers wanted to do theirs. But the TP wing of the party flat out refused to even talk about it, and so the stalemate continues.
 
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And why would you not cut taxes to the percentage that pays most of the US tax burden? If you want to talk about fair taxation that seems fair and logical.

And let's be honest, the Dems havent' cut any spending. What on earth are you talking about? Obama is out there trying to figure out how to spend even more month for his "jobs(bs) bill.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think that the fiscal conservativism ideals of the TP are perfectly fine and their input on that front is indeed welcome. But there is a holier-than-thou attitude attached to it, an arrogance and refusal to compromise, that is really creating this opening for the Democrats to paint them as irrational extremists.

In that respect, the TP has only itself to blame for negative press.
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Hmmmm...... sounds like someone I know.

and it's the media that has painted them as extremists. they get to cherry pick the wingnuts to show on air.
 
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theFallGuy said:
And why would you not cut taxes to the percentage that pays most of the US tax burden? If you want to talk about fair taxation that seems fair and logical.

And let's be honest, the Dems havent' cut any spending. What on earth are you talking about? Obama is out there trying to figure out how to spend even more month for his "jobs(bs) bill.
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They offered I believe about $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for roughly $1 trillion in tax increases on the wealthy and corporations over the next ten years.

Boehner apparently wanted to do the deal. But then in stepped the TPers ....



golfballs03 said:
Hmmmm...... sounds like someone I know.

and it's the media that has painted them as extremists. they get to cherry pick the wingnuts to show on air.
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They get painted as extremists because they refuse to compromise. That would be pretty much the definition of extremist in the political sense, don't you think?

You might agree with their inflexible position, but they are still extremists.
 
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except for the part that they weren't real cuts and the increases were seen immediately
 
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lawgator1 said:
They offered I believe about $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for roughly $1 trillion in tax increases on the wealthy and corporations over the next ten years.

Boehner apparently wanted to do the deal. But then in stepped the TPers ....






They get painted as extremists because they refuse to compromise. That would be pretty much the definition of extremist in the political sense, don't you think?

You might agree with their inflexible position, but they are still extremists.
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Being inflexible (especially if only on a key item... e.g. government spending... which at this point most people would agree is out of control) does not make anyone an extremist.

sjt... thanks for the post. A very interesting article which as you said, seems to provide a more truthful insight into the TP group.

Also... nb4 any racist comments.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They get painted as extremists because they refuse to compromise. That would be pretty much the definition of extremist in the political sense, don't you think?

You might agree with their inflexible position, but they are still extremists.
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:rock: Very true...

The US Congress cannnot get anything accomplished without a certain amount of compromise.
 
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Gramps said:
:rock: Very true...

The US Congress cannnot get anything accomplished without a certain amount of compromise.
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not a bad thing. They've been compromising for years and look at where we find ourselves today

isn't it funny that the party losing power is the one always clamoring for compromise
 
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KiffinKiller said:
im fine with the tea party until they start preaching social restriction.
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Yep. As soon as they take on prayer in schools or some other social issue, then I will jump on the left bandwagon to demonize. Until then, I agree with their stated platform as it stands today.
 
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It's always funny that the left wants the other side to "compromise" but never their own side.
 
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utvolpj said:
not a bad thing. They've been compromising for years and look at where we find ourselves today

isn't it funny that the party losing power is the one always clamoring for compromise
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History shows that our lawmakers that want to accomplish something realize they have to do a certain amount of comprise.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think that the fiscal conservativism ideals of the TP are perfectly fine and their input on that front is indeed welcome. But there is a holier-than-thou attitude attached to it, an arrogance and refusal to compromise, that is really creating this opening for the Democrats to paint them as irrational extremists.

In that respect, the TP has only itself to blame for negative press.
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Please explain what compromise looks like between those who believe Congress must have specific constitutional authority to spend/collect money and those who believe they do not need specific authority.

Please explain what compromise looks like between those who believe the gov't must spend less and shrink and those who believe gov't should spend more and grow.

What is the gray area between those who believe individuals should be responsible for the consequences of their own actions and those who believe they should be bailed out.

Arrogance? You should have to sit on the other side of this argument for awhile. If you had any ability at all to put yourself in someone else's shoes... you'd know how utterly ridiculous that comment is. Just as a sample... the ARROGANCE of you and others in proclaiming the TP racist for no other reason than their opposition to social programs and their expansion.

The Democrats, establishment Republicans, and their allies in the MSM have LIED. They have engaged in an intentional and often orchestrated propaganda campaign to demonize a movement that lacks the organization to effectively defend itself. It is false and most of those in the political and media sectors leading the charge know it is false.
 
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Gramps said:
History shows that our lawmakers that want to accomplish something realize they have to do a certain amount of comprise.
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OK. Here's a compromise that I can live with Gramps. I want gov't shrunk in absolute terms this year. I want gov't shrunk by 10% next year then more in out years. The current baseline is for gov't to grow by about 8% per year for the next ten years. I am willing to "compromise" and allow gov't spending to be frozen in real dollars until the budget is balanced.

Agree?
 
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To give you an idea of who the real "non-compromisers" are... The GOP offered a plan that would have only cut gov't growth from 8% to around 5%... The Dems wouldn't even discuss it.
 
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sjt18 said:
OK. Here's a compromise that I can live with Gramps. I want gov't shrunk in absolute terms this year. I want gov't shrunk by 10% next year then more in out years. The current baseline is for gov't to grow by about 8% per year for the next ten years. I am willing to "compromise" and allow gov't spending to be frozen in real dollars until the budget is balanced.
Agree?
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That is the numbers you are demanding... Now let's get UTGibbs to put out some numbers and bam, the compromise is somewhere in the middle..

Agree?
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KiffinKiller said:
meh. you'll find its the same on both sides.
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This is one hundred percent true.

Its just that the TP is so well organized and funded by big corporations and the wealthy, who are using and abusing them to generate and protect their wealth, that the right side of the ledger is getting all of the attention. Because the left side of the ledger stands up for the poor and the middle class and is far less organized and has no financed constituency, they don't get nearly the attention that the TP does.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is one hundred percent true.

Its just that the TP is so well organized and funded by big corporations and the wealthy, who are using and abusing them to generate and protect their wealth, that the right side of the ledger is getting all of the attention. Because the left side of the ledger stands up for the poor and the middle class and is far less organized and has no financed constituency, they don't get nearly the attention that the TP does.
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Standing up for the poor by putting millions on food stamps and 10% unemployment. I guess that is the liberal definition of success. How many people are on welfare.
 
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