McCain almost switched parties...

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I wish he had. McCain is a republican w/ a little "r" not a big one.
 
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A new kind of Swift-boating?

If McCain is a Demo in hiding, why is he getting endorsements from the likes of Kemp and Olsen? These guys are clear conservatives.
 
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Polling data says he is more electable than Romney.

The way this election has gone to date though - it's anybody's guess.
 
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volinbham said:
A new kind of Swift-boating?

If McCain is a Demo in hiding, why is he getting endorsements from the likes of Kemp and Olsen? These guys are clear conservatives.
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I think McCain benefits mainly from there being no clear conservative alternative. When Mitt Romney is being painted as the last best hope for conservativism, you know things are screwed up.
 
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The polling numbers I keep seeing say he's the candidate that beats Obama or Clinton.

I know he paints himself as a maverick. But based on the aisle-crossing he's done to work w/ Democrats over the years and the issues he involves himself w/ when he does, he would have a hard time convincing me he is anywhere near the conservative end of the political spectrum.
 
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Chemvol said:
The polling numbers I keep seeing say he's the candidate that beats Obama or Clinton.

I know he paints himself as a maverick. But based on the aisle-crossing he's done to work w/ Democrats over the years and the issues he involves himself w/ when he does, he would have a hard time convincing me he is anywhere near the conservative end of the political spectrum.
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The thing is, I don't even have so much of a problem with McCain being moderate. The problem I have is when he invokes Ronald Reagan over and over again and uses that dumb "I was a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution" line and pretends to be something that he's just not.
 
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GAVol said:
The thing is, I don't even have so much of a problem with McCain being moderate. The problem I have is when he invokes Ronald Reagan over and over again and uses that dumb "I was a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution" line and pretends to be something that he's just not.
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I don't have a problem w/ anyone being a moderate...as long as they own up to the fact that they are. McCain is only making this move to the Right to try and shore up the Republican base. He won't win the nomination w/o it. As the Party's nominee, he'll move back to the center for the general election.
 
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Chemvol said:
I don't have a problem w/ anyone being a moderate...as long as they own up to the fact that they are. McCain is only making this move to the Right to try and shore up the Republican base. He won't win the nomination w/o it. As the Party's nominee, he'll move back to the center for the general election.
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I agree, at least be what you say that you are going to be. I would rather have romney because I like his fiscal background more.
 
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volinbham said:
A new kind of Swift-boating?

If McCain is a Demo in hiding, why is he getting endorsements from the likes of Kemp and Olsen? These guys are clear conservatives.
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Kemp is not a true conservative. I can give you examples but to be honest I'm too tired.

McCain thinks he can win the general election without one vote from an actual conservative. If you believe the exit polls, check out who voted for him in Florida.

McCain is not conservative at all IMO.

Edit: Also, how is this swift boating (which I had no problem with)? We're talking about people like Tom Daschle etc.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Kemp is not a true conservative. I can give you examples but to be honest I'm too tired.

McCain thinks he can win the general election without one vote from an actual conservative. If you believe the exit polls, check out who voted for him in Florida.

McCain is not conservative at all IMO.

Edit: Also, how is this swift boating (which I had no problem with)? We're talking about people like Tom Daschle etc.
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I wouldn't call Florida a bastion of conservativism. Things will be clearer after Super Tuesday.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Kemp is not a true conservative. I can give you examples but to be honest I'm too tired.

McCain thinks he can win the general election without one vote from an actual conservative. If you believe the exit polls, check out who voted for him in Florida.

McCain is not conservative at all IMO.

Edit: Also, how is this swift boating (which I had no problem with)? We're talking about people like Tom Daschle etc.
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Maybe I've been breathing too much paint spirits, but I could swear in the last presidential election I had people wondering if McCain would win the primary against Kerry. I would tell them, "damn dude, McCain is Republican and Kerry is Democrat" to which they would reply "really?" :crazy:. That right there created a conflict in my mind as to where the man stands in the arena.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Edit: Also, how is this swift boating (which I had no problem with)? We're talking about people like Tom Daschle etc.
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I don't hold Tom Daschle in any higher or lower regard than some of the folks behind the Swift boat deal. However, I would certainly contend that Daschle would support a Dem over a Rep. Polling data shows McCain is a bigger threat than Romney (for a general election win).

The allegation is unprovable and based on interpretation. Daschle says it was one way, others say it was another way. There is no documentation. It smacks of a campaign to derail McCain.

The Swift boaters had a right to say what ever they wanted but clearly they wanted to derail Kerry.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't hold Tom Daschle in any higher or lower regard than some of the folks behind the Swift boat deal. However, I would certainly contend that Daschle would support a Dem over a Rep. Polling data shows McCain is a bigger threat than Romney (for a general election win).

The allegation is unprovable and based on interpretation. Daschle says it was one way, others say it was another way. There is no documentation. It smacks of a campaign to derail McCain.

The Swift boaters had a right to say what ever they wanted but clearly they wanted to derail Kerry.
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That's another thing I don't buy. I'm tired of hearing how McCain is the only one who can beat her. What's the motivation for anyone to vote for him? There is no difference. He'll get some mods, but how many libs do you think will cross over to vote for him in reality? Trust me the Dems would rather see McCain than Romney.
 
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I don't know if he can beat her or Obama. All I have to go on is polling data which shows him to be much more competitive than Romney. Romney gets hammered by both. McCain is even with Clinton and slightly behind Obama.

It is simply the current situation.
 
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I think that McCain has appeal to independents that Romney doesn't have. Obama also has more independent appeal than Clinton. Against Obama, McCain battles for those independent voters - and keeps it a closer race than Romney would. Against Clinton, McCain gets a lot of the "energized anti-Clinton votes" from the same people that would have supported Romney..but he also has more independent/moderate appeal than Clinton. I think that is why McCain is polling better than Romeny against both Obama and Clinton - but the funny part is that it is for two very different reasons depending on which candidate he is up against.
 
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