McCain Oversold Military/Security Experience - Wes Clark

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Wesley Clark downplayed McCain's experience Sunday with this zinger.

``I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president,'' Clark said, referring to the incident that led to McCain's being taken prisoner of war in Vietnam.
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Seems pretty dumb and lacking in class to go after McCain's military experience.
 
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Even Bob Beckel told Clark to "SHUT UP" when asked about Clark's statements.
 
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I say let ole Wes keep talking.

Everytime Obama complains of operatives playing politics McCain should just replay Clark commentary.
 
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Lexvol said:
I say let ole Wes keep talking.

Everytime Obama complains of operatives playing politics McCain should just replay Clark commentary.
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Yep, I can hear BO giving the "talk" about how "they" will come after him, blah blah blah
 
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The reason the comment was so stupid is that it amounts to an insult, and a pointless one at that. No one, not even McCain, is claiming that McCain can literally run the country day to day any better because he was shot down and held prisoner. He didn't learn any technical skill during that experience that helps him make policy.

But, because he had that experience, it is unquestionable that his character is something special. Its not a question of him "deserving" it. Its that he went through that and survived and came out the other end to do what he has done, that demonstrates a certain mental toughness that the rest of us can only guess at.

It should be admired, not diminished. And it was just a stupid, stupid thing to say.
 
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Gen. Clark, King Juan Carlos of Spain has a message for you...

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when it comes to the military, i would much rather serve under mccain that obama. hussein obama has that typical liberal arrogance against the military. he's no different than barbara boxer, the clintons or pelosi. these libs have despised the military since their college days.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason the comment was so stupid is that it amounts to an insult, and a pointless one at that. No one, not even McCain, is claiming that McCain can literally run the country day to day any better because he was shot down and held prisoner. He didn't learn any technical skill during that experience that helps him make policy.

But, because he had that experience, it is unquestionable that his character is something special. Its not a question of him "deserving" it. Its that he went through that and survived and came out the other end to do what he has done, that demonstrates a certain mental toughness that the rest of us can only guess at.

It should be admired, not diminished. And it was just a stupid, stupid thing to say.
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yep - Clark should know better.
 
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joevol320 said:
when it comes to the military, i would much rather serve under mccain that obama. hussein obama has that typical liberal arrogance against the military. he's no different than barbara boxer, the clintons or pelosi. these libs have despised the military since their college days.
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Now that comes as a shocker. A raging republican feels this way? Nooooooooo.
 
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Clark's mouth was doing the talking, but if you look closely you'll see BO's hand shoved up his arse.
 
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I work around many army retired officers I respect. None of them have a good thing to say about Clark. Clark would sell his mother to get ahead. No character.
 
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tim said:
Clark's mouth was doing the talking, but if you look closely you'll see BO's hand shoved up his arse.
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You honestly think that comment helped Obama? You think he would orchestrate that?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason the comment was so stupid is that it amounts to an insult, and a pointless one at that. No one, not even McCain, is claiming that McCain can literally run the country day to day any better because he was shot down and held prisoner. He didn't learn any technical skill during that experience that helps him make policy.

But, because he had that experience, it is unquestionable that his character is something special. Its not a question of him "deserving" it. Its that he went through that and survived and came out the other end to do what he has done, that demonstrates a certain mental toughness that the rest of us can only guess at.

It should be admired, not diminished. And it was just a stupid, stupid thing to say.
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Mad props on this, Law
 
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TennNC said:
You honestly think that comment helped Obama? You think he would orchestrate that?
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Even Juan Williams thinks Clark is operating as a surrogate. There has been a pattern of slights from prominent Obama supporters on McCain's military record.
 
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Wes Clark is a douche. He screwed up Kosovo, he screwed up Rwanda, and he failed to get Bin Laden as well.

He was also on the stage at the 2004 dem convention talking up John Kerry's Vietnam experience as a clear example of how he's ready to lead the country.
 
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volinbham said:
Even Juan Williams thinks Clark is operating as a surrogate. There has been a pattern of slights from prominent Obama supporters on McCain's military record.
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"Even Juan Williams"? I've never thought of Juan Williams as an Obama loyalist.

Anyway, what advantage would Clark's comment give Obama? Why would he orchestrate that? It ain't helping him.
 
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TennNC said:
"Even Juan Williams"? I've never thought of Juan Williams as an Obama loyalist.

Anyway, what advantage would Clark's comment give Obama? Why would he orchestrate that? It ain't helping him.
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JW is a left leaning analyst though. It's not as if this idea is only coming from the right.

Whether it helps him and whether it was orchestrated are different things.

The political playbook over the last several years is to attack someone on their strengths. In the last few months, Kerry, Harkin, Rockerfeller and now Clark have taken shots at McCain's military experience.
 
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volinbham said:
JW is a left leaning analyst though. It's not as if this idea is only coming from the right.

Whether it helps him and whether it was orchestrated are different things.

The political playbook over the last several years is to attack someone on their strengths. In the last few months, Kerry, Harkin, Rockerfeller and now Clark have taken shots at McCain's military experience.
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So how do you compare it to how the Swift Boat Vets attacked Kerry? And do you think it's helping Obama?

BTW, I don't see JW as that far left-leaning. Maybe compared to most of the pundits on Fox. Maybe slightly. I don't listen to JW on Fox much, but when I have he's bashed Obama. Had Arianna Huffington said it, that'd be different.
 
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there is no comparison to the Swift Boat Veterans attack on John Kerry.
 
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TennNC said:
So how do you compare it to how the Swift Boat Vets attacked Kerry? And do you think it's helping Obama?

BTW, I don't see JW as that far left-leaning. Maybe compared to most of the pundits on Fox. Maybe slightly. I don't listen to JW on Fox much, but when I have he's bashed Obama. Had Arianna Huffington said it, that'd be different.
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It's similar to the Swift Boat Vets. I think the fact that prominent Dems (Harkin, Rockerfeller) are participating is disturbing.

I think it's also ironic but not surprising that the left bloggers are using these tactics when the screamed at how the SBV's used it against Kerry.

As for JW. His positions on Iraq, pre-war intelligence, wire-tapping, economic policy, etc. are all left. He's been a vocal critic of the Bush admin and Republican policy. He hasn't been a vocal Obama supporter and the only time he appears conservative is his talk of faith and parental responsibility in the AA community (both of which are consistent with Obama's comments). In short, JW is certainly left of center politically.
 
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TennNC said:
So how do you compare it to how the Swift Boat Vets attacked Kerry? And do you think it's helping Obama?

BTW, I don't see JW as that far left-leaning. Maybe compared to most of the pundits on Fox. Maybe slightly. I don't listen to JW on Fox much, but when I have he's bashed Obama. Had Arianna Huffington said it, that'd be different.
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There are and were serious questions about Kerry's service. Those who were there knew that being in combat for as short a period of time as he was and receiving a very minor injury and being discharged raised red flags. He wanted to run on the veteran platform but fought to keep his service record out of the public eye.
 
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