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Hey Guys and Gals. I have just watched the video of Tony McDaniel's punch, read the articles concerning what happened, and saw the punishment that McDaniel was given. With all due respect to you Tennesee fans, which I think you deserve, I think that Fulmer has severely missed the boat on this. McDaniel deserves much more than a two game suspension. McDaniel is obviously an individual with severe problems. Not only did he punch the guy out, but he lied about what actually happened, and abandoned the guy on the gym floor, and left the gym without taking responsibility for his part in the injury/crime. Two game suspension. hmmm. Fulmer seems to have become obsessed with protecting the Vol players, instead of cleaning up the program by culling out the bad apples. Winning has become an obsession, at the expense of enforcing character building ideals. It's insanity. I would say, keep this up and somebody's gonna get hurt, but that time has already come.

Now, you may think "Stupid Bammer", and that I may be to you. So be it. It's time that the true UT fans stood up to the nonsense. Fulmer's quest for wins has gone, and is going, too far.
 
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I'm a vol fan, and I agree with you completely.

This has already been brought up in another thread, but imo Fulmer should have dismissed McDaniel from the team.
 
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This was not a premeditated crime. This grew out of an impassioned conflict in a basketball game where McDaniel was purposely being fouled. He struck out physically in a game that was being played physically. McDaniel was wrong but I don't even put him in the class of a shoplifter who sets out to commit a crime. McDaniel responded out of emotion and not intent. It is alot easier to forgive someone who is being led by thier emotions than someone who conspires to commit crimes. Given the circumstances, I think the misdemeanor charge was appropriate. Just looking at the circumstances of this particular incident, If I were a future employer, I would consider McDaniel of much higher character than a shoplifter who has a criminal mind. I think Fulmer has responded appropriately. If you disagree, you just need to be smacked!! ..just kidding
 
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I agree TBALL - this kind of incident happens on courts at every college and you don't here about it. The fact that he is a football player doesn't/shouldn't mean that he is held to different levels of accountability. After all we are talking about kids here-fights happen.
 
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I was watching the video on the news last night and thought about some of the recreational basketball and football games I played back in school. I usually played with FRIENDS, and people would still get pissed after getting fouled or hurt. On numerous occasions, shoving would ensue, and I've even seen a few knock-down, drag-outs. Hell, I even saw a brawl at a SOFTBALL game.

Now, given, my friends are a little smaller than Tony with a less effective right hook, but the motive is the same. The only reason the kid got hurt so bad was the fact that McDaniel can bench a Volkswagon.

I really would have liked him to offer some assistance after the incident, and that's what bothers me the most. I think that, if he had, his punishment might have actually been LESS severe. It's terrible for the kid and his family, but I think Tony will learn from this childish act of passion and the consequences he earned.
 
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Wow, talking like that on a bammer board would get you banned. I watched the video and I saw an unfortunate incident but nothing that warrants a felony assault charge. If you've played competitive sports you realize that sometimes things get out of control while playing. It shouldn't have happened ,but then again, when I played I was also smart enough not to pick on the guy built like a Mack truck. Also, that's just stupid to expect him to offer assistance after he just got mad enough to hit the guy. Maybe someone else should have, but even the intramural staff, who is present at every game in there, stood around and watched him lay there.

If all Fulmer wanted to do was win, then why is McDaniel suspended for arguably the most important game in the SEC East, @ Florida? If he was being easy on McDaniel wouldn't he give him a 1 game suspension for just the UAB game and have him when the Vols go to UF?
 
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Originally posted by GoTide@Aug 4, 2005 4:47 AM
Now, you may think "Stupid Bammer", and that I may be to you. So be it. It's time that the true UT fans stood up to the nonsense. Fulmer's quest for wins has gone, and is going, too far.
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And when did bammer cross the line? Before or after buying players? You've heard of people in glass houses...
 
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the video stoped after the punch and tony walking around.
for all we know he might have walked over to the guy the
video clip stop playing. it was one hit,we have heard both sides and
the guy seamed to be happy with the outcome.i also agree with
other posters on here if it was me i would not provoke a guy that
i knew could squash me like a tomato.
 
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What kind of suspension did Taylor Britt get after he got drunk, resisted arrest and assaulted (head butted) a police officer? Don't you think assaulting a law officer is a more serious offense than punching someone in a basketball game? He was charged with a misdemeanor - not a felony. If head-butting a police officer is not a felony, throwing a punch in a pick-up game certainly isn't.

How about "smokin" Ray Hudson - 1 game suspension for smoking weed. He didn't miss the Auburn game did he?

Do you honestly believe that no Tide player ever hit someone in a pick-up game? Most of these occurrences go unpunished.

If this was the second, third, etc. offense for McDaniel then I might agree. The tape shows a reaction. It doesn't justify the punch but it wasn't a pre-meditated.

You may think we are being homers on this but I believe you too are buying into a myth that UT/Fulmer is a win at any cost program. Bama fans and certain talk show hosts (Finebaum) thrive on perpetuating this myth.
 
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Well you really have to ask yourself this... I feel like if this guy didn'y need a plate in his cheeks would Mcdaniel get to play vs Fla? I feel 2 games is enough.
 
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It appears to me that the KNS, especially Dave Hooker sensationalized the story. It was old news until Hooker regurgitated it with photos of the victim. He will make a great reporter for the NY Times or the Washington Post some day IMO.
 
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So laying someone out on the floor because they were bugging you and your emotions got the best of you, than running away from the scene because you know what you did was wrong is not that big a deal? Im with gotide on this, physically assaulting someone for no good reason, than running away, is worth more than a two game suspension. As I said before, some coaches are more disciplined than others, Fulmer is not full of much discipline. He does win though, so not many people care.
 
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I'll end this.

The only opinion that counts is Fulmer's and he's decided.

 
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Well to be honest, I think if this had happened to anyone else besides a member of the ut football team they would have had to plead guilty to assault. LE had no reason to plea bargain with him. He was caught on tape and McDaniel originally lied about the incident. That usually results in a stiffer penalty not a lighter one.

McDaniel laid the guy out and walked away like he didn't care. The only reason he didnt get away with it was he ws caught on tape. Add to that, this was a total sucker punch, when the guy wasnt even looking at him but at the rim. This wasn't a fight at all IMO, McDaniel turned around a laid a guy out who apparently wasn't even looking at him. It appears, just because he felt like it.

McDaniel got off easy by LE. He should have been given a tougher penalty by Fulmer as was obviously expected by the victim. Maybe a year's suspension or kicked off the team. When you compare this to what other guys have been kicked off for (James Banks and Schaeffer) , this would seem to merit a stiffer punishment.
 
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I dont even have the energy to debate this.

Gatorville, you are NUTS if you really believe that Fulmer is soft on discipline. He has a STRONG record of penalizing his players, and REMOVING THME FROM THE TEAM when they do something worth of that level of punnishment.

67 posted the list a few days ago, and it is much better than say,....ole your King SOS. Remember Gaffney? He snuck into the locker room at the Swamp and stole from a bunch of highschool kids while they were playing in the Florida Championship Game and he got suspended for ONE GAME!? Then there was the Zookster who let players throw beer kegs at other students heads after they were already on the ground, and then make that player a team captain. Give me a break.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Aug 4, 2005 1:32 PM
Well to be honest, I think if this had happened to anyone else besides a member of the ut football team they would have had to plead guilty to assault.    LE had no reason to plea bargain with him.  He was caught on tape and McDaniel originally lied about the incident. That usually results in a stiffer penalty not a lighter one.

McDaniel laid the guy out and walked away like he didn't care.  The only reason he didnt get away with it was he ws caught on tape.  Add to that, this was a total sucker punch, when the guy wasnt even looking at him but at the rim.  This wasn't a fight at all IMO, McDaniel turned around a laid a guy out who apparently wasn't even looking at him.  It appears, just because he felt like it.

McDaniel got off easy by LE. He should have been given a tougher penalty by Fulmer as was obviously expected by the victim.  Maybe a year's suspension or kicked off the team.  When you compare this to what other guys have been kicked off for (James Banks and Schaeffer) , this would seem to merit a stiffer punishment.
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Obviously you don';t know the law and how it works. He got what most get especially when the VICTIM AGREES to what the DA proposes.

The victim also said McDaniel taunted him while he was down and that the other football players that were there were laughing at him while he was on the floor knocked out. You can believe what you want but then again I know the whole story and its not as one-sided as the victim claims.
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Aug 4, 2005 12:39 PM
The victim also said McDaniel taunted him while he was down and that the other football players that were there were laughing at him while he was on the floor knocked out.
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How would he know what they were doing if he was knocked out?
 
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Hmm...laying a guy out for no reason, then walking away from it, then lieing to everyone about it to cover it all up, isnt worth more than 2 games to you beltway?

And, once again, you bring UF into this. Were talking about Fulmer here, okay. Yes, SOS and Zook werent that great on discipline, every Gator fan in America admits that. However, the guy we have now, is. Tell me the last UF player to do what McDaniel did, or assault some guy with a baseball bat, or anything like that.

Live in the past all you want Beltway, but Urban is the coach of UF, and not one player has dont anything near what UT players are doing. How many felons do you have on your team? give me a break.
 
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Hmmm it wasn't for no reason and that was okla who said he lied.

KEG throwing.
 
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Originally posted by GatorVille@Aug 4, 2005 12:45 PM
Hmm...laying a guy out for no reason, then walking away from it, then lieing to everyone about it to cover it all up, isnt worth more than 2 games to you beltway?

And, once again, you bring UF into this.  Were talking about Fulmer here, okay.  Yes, SOS and Zook werent that great on discipline, every Gator fan in America admits that.  However, the guy we have now, is.  Tell me the last UF player to do what McDaniel did, or assault some guy with a baseball bat, or anything like that. 
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Laying him out for no reason? He was fouled in the heat of a game. Not an excuse but it was not completely innocent.

Also, who was the UT player that assaulted somone with a bat? Tell me because I missed that one. QUIT MAKING THINGS UP!
 
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Originally posted by GatorVille@Aug 4, 2005 12:45 PM
Hmm...laying a guy out for no reason, then walking away from it, then lieing to everyone about it to cover it all up, isnt worth more than 2 games to you beltway?

And, once again, you bring UF into this.  Were talking about Fulmer here, okay.  Yes, SOS and Zook werent that great on discipline, every Gator fan in America admits that.  However, the guy we have now, is.  Tell me the last UF player to do what McDaniel did, or assault some guy with a baseball bat, or anything like that. 

Live in the past all you want Beltway, but Urban is the coach of UF, and not one player has dont anything near what UT players are doing.  How many felons do you have on your team?  give me a break.
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How could you possibly know what 'the guy you have now' is going to do?

He hasn't been on the job long enough. He'll have a problem. Everyone does. Do you honestly think he'll kick players off for misdemeanors?

If he does his recruiting efforts will be in the toilet.

It's really ignorant to trumpet the disciplinary values of a coach who hasn't had a problem yet to judge him by.

Silly to 10th degere!!
 
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It always amazes me how many experts from other schools come on here ranting about how horrible Fulmer is as a disciplinarian, and the state of TN football as it pertains to discipline.

1. Bama has been exposed for what has been going on there since the days of Bear Bryant.

2. Florida has no room to talk about having problems with football players. Gator fans know that, and its the truth.

I can appreciate a good factual statement, but when you start making up bologna it's really just hilarious.

All these opposing fans with solutions to TN's problems should worry about their own programs, especially the 2 mentioned above.

GO VOLS!
 
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