Media Criticizes Obama - Stop the Presses

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Tapper has his moments, at least until he's hosting This Week and ends up channeling his inner-Ed Schultz.

Tim Russert set a very high standard that no one on ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC has been able to live up to.
 
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volinbham said:
Props to Jake Tapper for calling out the prez.

Throw Grandma From the Train - Political Punch

Now lets see if they run at all with the open mike incident where Obama trashes Ryan.

Isn't this the guy that tells us to rise above partisan politics?
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You have mischaraterized it (intentionally, of course). It wasn't to "rise above partisan politics." It was to avoid incendiary rhetoric, such as a call to arms.

As to the article, the point he of course misses is that Ryan's proposal of vouchers to buy health insurance would, in fact, hurt grandma.

I don;t think anyone is saying that grandma isn't going to get hut by some version of Medicare cuts, be it in the form of scaled back coverage or vouchers.

Rather, the debate is over whether the amount of hurt she will feel from Medicare cutbacks is going to be that much worse if we give even more tax breaks to the wealthiest.

But, of course, you don't want to talk about the actual policy or those trade-offs, do you?
 
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where are these "tax breaks to the wealthiest"?

what percentage of a person's income should they be allowed to keep, lg?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You have mischaraterized it (intentionally, of course). It wasn't to "rise above partisan politics." It was to avoid incendiary rhetoric, such as a call to arms.

As to the article, the point he of course misses is that Ryan's proposal of vouchers to buy health insurance would, in fact, hurt grandma.

I don;t think anyone is saying that grandma isn't going to get hut by some version of Medicare cuts, be it in the form of scaled back coverage or vouchers.

Rather, the debate is over whether the amount of hurt she will feel from Medicare cutbacks is going to be that much worse if we give even more tax breaks to the wealthiest.

But, of course, you don't want to talk about the actual policy or those trade-offs, do you?
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The two quotes in the link speak for themselves. Who are you trying to kid?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You have mischaraterized it (intentionally, of course). It wasn't to "rise above partisan politics." It was to avoid incendiary rhetoric, such as a call to arms.

As to the article, the point he of course misses is that Ryan's proposal of vouchers to buy health insurance would, in fact, hurt grandma.

I don;t think anyone is saying that grandma isn't going to get hut by some version of Medicare cuts, be it in the form of scaled back coverage or vouchers.

Rather, the debate is over whether the amount of hurt she will feel from Medicare cutbacks is going to be that much worse if we give even more tax breaks to the wealthiest.

But, of course, you don't want to talk about the actual policy or those trade-offs, do you?
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Cutting Medicare will hurt some old people; however, why should people have privileged access to healthcare simply because they have lived for a certain amount of years?
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lawgator1 said:
You have mischaraterized it (intentionally, of course). It wasn't to "rise above partisan politics." It was to avoid incendiary rhetoric, such as a call to arms.

As to the article, the point he of course misses is that Ryan's proposal of vouchers to buy health insurance would, in fact, hurt grandma.

I don;t think anyone is saying that grandma isn't going to get hut by some version of Medicare cuts, be it in the form of scaled back coverage or vouchers.

Rather, the debate is over whether the amount of hurt she will feel from Medicare cutbacks is going to be that much worse if we give even more tax breaks to the wealthiest.

But, of course, you don't want to talk about the actual policy or those trade-offs, do you?
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Obama specifically said we should avoid the "hurt seniors" rhetoric. He told Ryan and company that he wouldn't do this then his speech was full of it (pun intended).

Honestly, I don't see how you can characterize Obama's speech as anything but demagogging.

I'm ready to talk about the policy trade offs all day long. Apparently Obama is not since he prefers to claim Medicaid will be destroyed, Medicare will be destroyed, poor kids will no longer go to college and parents of autistic kids will be on their own. All so greedy rich people can get a tax break.

When he comes honest I'm ready to talk.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Obama has hit the campaign trail.
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Agreed his speech came across as political grandstanding more than anything else. I can feel the 2012 race around the corner already, when people start debating heavy about stuff that won't happen.
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MG1968 said:
Tapper has his moments, at least until he's hosting This Week and ends up channeling his inner-Ed Schultz.

Tim Russert set a very high standard that no one on ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC has been able to live up to.
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Wasn't he that bugeyed dude whose testimony ended Libby's carreer?

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Ryan has emphasized repeatedly that current seniors will see zero change in their Medicare coverage. The people covered under Medicare will not see an ounce of change in how they get their medical bills paid. The president's assertion that old people will suffer and granny's getting thrown out in the street is a canard. These proposed changes to Medicare are for the folks not covered under it yet and that is the right way to play it. If change is coming, there is time to prepare and adjust.
 
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distrovol said:
Ryan has emphasized repeatedly that current seniors will see zero change in their Medicare coverage. The people covered under Medicare will not see an ounce of change in how they get their medical bills paid. The president's assertion that old people will suffer and granny's getting thrown out in the street is an outright lie. These proposed changes to Medicare are for the folks not covered under it yet and that is the right way to play it. If change is coming, there is time to prepare and adjust.
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MG1968 said:
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Wha? Ryan's proposal is a voucher that increases over time with the rate of inflation, not the higher rate of medical care costs.

It might just be what's needed, but with Ryan's plan, most of the granny and gramps out there will end up paying more out of pocket than they currently are, and there ain't no two ways about it.
 
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milohimself said:
Wha? Ryan's proposal is a voucher that increases over time with the rate of inflation, not the higher rate of medical care costs.

It might just be what's needed, but with Ryan's plan, most of the granny and gramps out there will end up paying more out of pocket than they currently are, and there ain't no two ways about it.
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Ryan's plan also doesn't affect anybody older than 55 or already in the system.

and paying more out of pocket is slightly different than being kicked out in the street and forced to eat dog food.
 
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Ryan's plan uses insurance companies as a conduit to provide health care to seniors. Whereas before it was a defined benefits plan, it transitions to a defined contribution plan. Now, that leads to two things. One is increased profit for health insurers IF, two, they cut back services to the patients.

All while the max tax rate gets lowered.

The logic is inescapable - health care is reduced while taxes on the wealthiest are, too. This is what Obama means when he says it balances the budget at the expense of seniors.

IMO, benefits will have to be reduced while taxes are INCREASED. Thesolution isn't just too cut, nor is it just to increase taxes. Its a combination of both.
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MG1968 said:
Ryan's plan also doesn't affect anybody older than 55 or already in the system.

and paying more out of pocket is slightly different than being kicked out in the street and forced to eat dog food.
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Never said kicked out in the street, but the voucher plan isn't going to cover costs for most seniors. And assuming ACA gets repealed, what insurance company you know of that's going to take on seniors for supplemental?
 
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Well, AARP for one. They have gone from an advocacy group to a major power broker for what they will endorse for their members. I remember when the prescription drug benefit debate was going on. They opposed it because it would compete with the insurance that they sell to their members. Then they started selling a plan to cover the "donut hole" that was often criticized in the legislation. I see no reason why they wouldn't create and sell some policy that would cover any shortfall in coverage. If there is an opportunity, someone will fill the need.
 
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milohimself said:
Never said kicked out in the street, but the voucher plan isn't going to cover costs for most seniors. And assuming ACA gets repealed, what insurance company you know of that's going to take on seniors for supplemental?
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My Mom is on medicare, and I can assure you that it doesn't cover much now. She has a pile of bills from her various doctors for amounts unpaid by medicare. She can't afford the premiums of one of the private supplemental plans, so she pays what she can when she can.

Yes, I know anecdotal stories aren't worth the space they take up on the web, but I just wanted to put to rest he myth that medicare is this wonderful thing that everybody is going to want to be on.
 
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I know it doesn't work well. The problem most have is that it doesn't pay physicians nearly as well as insurance so finding service can be difficult.
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