Meet the man who thinks he 'screwed up' college football with a Supreme Court win

[VolFaninFla]

Meet the man who thinks he 'screwed up' college football with a Supreme Court win

“He said to me, ‘Andy, you might have won that case, but you’ll regret it.’’
Be careful what you wish for ?

 

[butchna]

I hated the old Game of the Week system and it was bound to die. Never going to convince me that MORE football is bad for the fan.

 

[SpookyAction]

No.
100% of fans wanted to watch their team on tv.
The conference realignment where Conferences collapsed was not inevitable.
I remember when conferences were consolidating like the Big 8 and SWC, and the Big East came together for tv presentation and deals.

Capitalism has a tendency to separate the money makers from the liabilities. (Vandy seems immune to it.)
The PAC12 fell victim to their own lack of inertia. They did not grow their brand. Their new teams were not big contributors.
And West Coast tv schedules did them no favors. I haven't watched a whole quarter of a PAC12 game in many years. Maybe they should have played a lot more afternoon games.

Tough to get the lucrative tv deal when no one is watching. B1G and SEC have viewers all over the USA.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I hated the old Game of the Week system and it was bound to die. Never going to convince me that MORE football is bad for the fan.

This is the exact reason I support bowl season and disagree w/ those that want fewer bowls. Why would you want less football? Next week is Labor Day and the next thing you know we’re going to be decorating a Christmas Tree while the Vandy game is on. More football is good.

 

[butchna]

This is the exact reason I support bowl season and disagree w/ those that want fewer bowls. Why would you want less football. Next week is Labor Day and the next thing you know we’re going to be decorating a Christmas Tree while the Vandy game is on. More football is good.

What were we supposed to do with all that extra time waiting for our team to (maybe) show up on television once a year…spend it with our damn family?

 

[stolitonic]

Anybody else getting real &$;&?/@ tired of seeing Jack Swarbucks opinions on everything always being present in any story related to college football?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Capitalism, and I'm a HUGE fan of it, and amateur sports are incompatible. Once the college admins decided they would milk the fervour of college football and basketball fans for big money, it stopped being amateur sports and became a big capitalist enterprise.

As fans, we wanted what capitalism brings: diversity of product. As business owners, the admins wanted what capitalism brings: money.

Capitalism weeds out weaker brands. Ask yourself why Penney's and Sears are toast now. They were eaten by how capitalism is supposed to work.

It's the same for weaker conferences. They could survive as amateur endeavors, funded by the good graces of the school and local fan support, but they are too weak to survive capitalism.

For the lefties out there who say it doesn't work, the current mess the NCAA is in tells us capitalism works just fine.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

What were we supposed to do with all that extra time waiting for our team to (maybe) show up on television once a year…spend it with our damn family?

 

[KoachKrab127]

Capitalism, and I'm a HUGE fan of it, and amateur sports are incompatible. Once the college admins decided they would milk the fervour of college football and basketball fans for big money, it stopped being amateur sports and became a big capitalist enterprise.

As fans, we wanted what capitalism brings: diversity of product. As business owners, the admins wanted what capitalism brings: money.

Capitalism weeds out weaker brands. Ask yourself why Penney's and Sears are toast now. They were eaten by how capitalism is supposed to work.

It's the same for weaker conferences. They could survive as amateur endeavors, funded by the good graces of the school and local fan support, but they are too weak to survive capitalism.

For the lefties out there who say it doesn't work, the current mess the NCAA is in tells us capitalism works just fine.

If capitalism and amateur sports are incompatible, what is the solution?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If capitalism and amateur sports are incompatible, what is the solution?

The NCAA has gone too far now for a good solution, or I'll say a solution I'll like.

The major teams (those with massive revenue flow) abandon the NCAA and form a pro league, not because I like that idea but because the court will declare the players employees in a few years.

The minor teams return to not seeking big TV revenue, not trying to be a business, and attempt to maintain amateur status on the grounds they are not a business but a recreation provided by the schools which isn't designed to make a profit, that is: act like most other college sports. That may or may not work for the court system.

There is no good solution from my point of view except for this to drag on about like it is for another 10 years and I'll be too old to care, if not dead.

 

[Orange.]

I hated the old Game of the Week system and it was bound to die. Never going to convince me that MORE football is bad for the fan.

Two regular-season TV appearances in a rolling five-year period for any team was the original arrangment, iirc.

It's hard for people now to imagine how it was back then. The Vols' 1971 nationally-televised game stomping of Penn State was a major event for the program. It was so rare that people around the country had the chance to see us play. Much less to crush a media darling in grand style.

 

[SpookyAction]

Capitalism, and I'm a HUGE fan of it, and amateur sports are incompatible. Once the college admins decided they would milk the fervour of college football and basketball fans for big money, it stopped being amateur sports and became a big capitalist enterprise.

As fans, we wanted what capitalism brings: diversity of product. As business owners, the admins wanted what capitalism brings: money.

Capitalism weeds out weaker brands. Ask yourself why Penney's and Sears are toast now. They were eaten by how capitalism is supposed to work.

It's the same for weaker conferences. They could survive as amateur endeavors, funded by the good graces of the school and local fan support, but they are too weak to survive capitalism.

For the lefties out there who say it doesn't work, the current mess the NCAA is in tells us capitalism works just fine.

The flip side of capitalism is it is exclusionary by nature. It forces programs and states and universities to commit and execute plans to stay relevant and hire the best coaches. Average hires kill brands. Ours is a case in point.

Were we better off with Sears and KMart? Times change and businesses change or die. The Sears catalog was a wonder of the 70s and 80s, but the Xmas wish book died in 1993, even before the internet was in out homes.

It has been many years since we spent a day shopping for clothes or shoes or anything you would find at a mall.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

@SpookyAction
Fat fingers haven't adapted to phones.

Sears, Penney's, K-Mart, etc never adapted. They had the edge in the market in many places and didn't make the right moves. That's not a flaw in capitalism. It rewards good adaptations just like nature does.

They weren't "excluded;" they were surpassed by a better model for the times. Are we better? Of course we are. Ordering from a catalog is slow and clunky while ordering online is quick and streamlined.

Are we better not strolling malls or downtown shops? The people have spoken.

 

[SpookyAction]

@SpookyAction
Fat fingers haven't adapted to phones.

Sears, Penney's, K-Mart, etc never adapted. They had the edge in the market in many places and didn't make the right moves. That's not a flaw in capitalism. It rewards good adaptations just like nature does.

They weren't "excluded;" they were surpassed by a better model for the times. Are we better? Of course we are. Ordering from a catalog is slow and clunky while ordering online is quick and streamlined.

Are we better not strolling malls or downtown shops? The people have spoken.

The exclusion I was referring to were the collateral hundreds of thousands of people who lost their livelihoods when those giant retailers failed, as well as the retailers themselves.

Most people think those jobs that disappeared were low paying and easily replaced, and that is simply not true.

I sort of miss the mall, but I haven't had a reason to go in years.
I do remember when it was an experience, but often today, home is as much fun as the mall.
I do miss the social aspects of shopping.
The mall has changed and so have I.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The exclusion I was referring to were the collateral hundreds of thousands of people who lost their livelihoods when those giant retailers failed, as well as the retailers themselves.

Most people think those jobs that disappeared were low paying and easily replaced, and that is simply not true.

I sort of miss the mall, but I haven't had a reason to go in years.
I do remember when it was an experience, but often today, home is as much fun as the mall.
I do miss the social aspects of shopping.
The mall has changed and so have I.

Bringing this back to the original topic, I HOPE that non revenue sports aren't victimized by the shifts in the NCAA, but it's very possible some schools will lose revenue from super conferences no longer scheduling OOC games that provide a big paycheck to poorer schools.

I see it as very likely that games like Bama vs MTSU and UT vs Austin Peay will be harder to schedule because of conference size and those smaller schools will really miss that athletic department revenue boost. That's collateral damage, but I think smaller school's athletic departments are going to be even more at the mercy of admins and academics questioning their worth to school and their slice of the budget.

I'm happy for the season to be starting because it takes my mind off the mess.

 

[SpookyAction]

Bringing this back to the original topic, I HOPE that non revenue sports aren't victimized by the shifts in the NCAA, but it's very possible some schools will lose revenue from super conferences no longer scheduling OOC games that provide a big paycheck to poorer schools.

I see it as very likely that games like Bama vs MTSU and UT vs Austin Peay will be harder to schedule because of conference size and those smaller schools will really miss that athletic department revenue boost. That's collateral damage, but I think smaller school's athletic departments are going to be even more at the mercy of admins and academics questioning their worth to school and their slice of the budget.

I'm happy for the season to be starting because it takes my mind off the mess.

I attended APSU when they were a non-scholarship football program (started in 90). I interned in the President's office for a semester with Oscar Page in 1992. I was a gofer really, but he often had a conversation about what he was doing. I learned a lot about the workings of a small campus. Football, at that time, paid for itself only because players paid for their tuition, books, housing, and food costs.

I know the program is far different lately, and excitement leads to cash, but there are a whole lot of small campuses on the edge.

I suspect the Hope Scholarship has cut deeply into the bottom line of TN 4 yr universities. I know my son is going to have to use his for two years before going to some TN 4 year school.
He could get a scholarship to a university, but I know my own scholarship "entitled" me to work 100 hours per semester for the university without pay.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I attended APSU when they were a non-scholarship football program (started in 90). I interned in the President's office for a semester with Oscar Page in 1992. I was a gofer really, but he often had a conversation about what he was doing. I learned a lot about the workings of a small campus. Football, at that time, paid for itself only because players paid for their tuition, books, housing, and food costs.

I know the program is far different lately, and excitement leads to cash, but there are a whole lot of small campuses on the edge.

I suspect the Hope Scholarship has cut deeply into the bottom line of TN 4 yr universities. I know my son is going to have to use his for two years before going to some TN 4 year school.
He could get a scholarship to a university, but I know my own scholarship "entitled" me to work 100 hours per semester for the university without pay.

Austin Peay will probably get 500k+/- for the Vols game and I'm sure it's a welcome boost and deserved. I feel sorry for the smaller programs because the NCAA will do nothing to stop super conferences from forming and OOC games from getting fewer and fewer.

I'm overeducated but I was able to support my family despite the debt I took on going past the first degree. It worked for me but my inroads into a career began a very long time ago and much has changed since then. I've advised my family against going too far because the benefit is rarely there these days in most fields. If you don't have a plan, get a job, find a plan, find your passion.

Some of the most miserable people I know have titles before their name and a bunch of letters after their name and high incomes. Some of the happiest people I know are skilled, mostly certified, tradesmen making moderate incomes (comparatively.) I'd rather my family choose the second choice because unhappiness flows downward into your family.

Anyway, it's a football forum. The high sports revenue schools are going to bunch together to maximize their revenue and the courts are going to call it what it is, a sports business, and force the teams to pay the players. Until then, Go Vols!

 

[volbound1700]

Too much is being made in realignment.

The big losers of Pac12 realignment are programs that were not going to make playoffs or compete at a high level: Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State (I also think somebody is going to pick up Cal and Stanford anyways).

Literally can move these schools to G5 and no one will notice.