Mike Leach's influence spreads in the NFL

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JohnnyJava said:
In the NFL, Leach would be guaranteed similar talent levels to other teams because of how the draft works, plus salary caps. He's never had that in Pullman or Lubbock (no coaches there ever have).
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I dont think the football part would be his problem.

Hed prolly need to adjust how he related to his players. Some of which will be making more money than he is.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think hes a good coach. Might have done ok here. He ain't here, prolly never will be.

Have always been curious as to why he cant get out of obscure locations like Lubbock and Pullman. What he did and has done at both of those places is pretty impressive and there have been a bunch of openings just since hes been is the remote NW.
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Not sure if serious. I was being facetious. I agree with you.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I didnt feel like quoting anybody else. Lol
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That's cool. Good to see you around. Hope you're feeling good and keeping the BP down. Mine got a little outta wack and saw bones got me on a diet and I'm doing fine. As you know, it can be scary.
 
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Behr said:
That's cool. Good to see you around. Hope you're feeling good and keeping the BP down. Mine got a little outta wack and saw bones got me on a diet and I'm doing fine. As you know, it can be scary.
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No joke.
.It's good that a diet can handle it.

I had to get my prescription adjusted. What I was taking was making it too low.
 
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Mike Leach will be laughing all the way to the CFB Hall of Fame while people still say he can't coach and his system "won't work" in "x".
 
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allvol123 said:
It's an indictment on the coach, that never has a defense.
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check the thread title and topic - it's about Leach's offensive philosophy. It works. It has worked in the SEC, it has worked against the SEC, it is worming it's way into the NFL and it works there too.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think hes a good coach. Might have done ok here. He ain't here, prolly never will be.

Have always been curious as to why he cant get out of obscure locations like Lubbock and Pullman. What he did and has done at both of those places is pretty impressive and there have been a bunch of openings just since hes been is the remote NW.
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I think a lot of it is the good ole boy clique at the major programs is turned off by his quirkiness, and I could see Leach himself not wanting much to do at all with the good ole boy (e.g., Jimmy Haslam) types. Fans find that stuff funny and charming (especially when he's winning), but his bosses wouldn't.

Leach has put together nice teams in low pressure, relatively low expectation environments. There, his affinity for pirates and stuff like that is seen as charming because while they want to have a solid football program, it's taken nowhere near as seriously. I think the article below puts it pretty well:
Whether Leach could survive, much less thrive, in the buttoned-up atmosphere of the SEC demands a vision that absolutely escapes me. The Pac-12 is not buttoned-up. A football coach in the Pac-12 is just a football coach. In the SEC, especially at a flagship state university, the football coach is a public, high-profile, quasi-political figure.
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Will Mike Leach spend his career as an outsider?
 
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He is an "ok" coach, nothing more, nothing less. As I've said, can't coach a lick of defense, but more importantly, cannot hire a good defensive co-ordinator, or maybe more importantly than that, maybe he doesn't even recognize a good one.
 
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orange blossom said:
He is an "ok" coach, nothing more, nothing less. As I've said, can't coach a lick of defense, but more importantly, cannot hire a good defensive co-ordinator, or maybe more importantly than that, maybe he doesn't even recognize a good one.
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He did have Alex Grinch as his DC from 2015-17; he's been hired by Ohio St and Oklahoma since then. But yes, his teams routinely play poor defense.

If you think people are put out with Pruitt already, and they are, wait until Leach came in here and gave up 75 to West Virginia in his debut or 50 to Georgia St.
 
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Alex Grinch was one of the defensive coordinations that oversaw the worst defense (at least statistically) last year in Ohio State hiostory. Terrible, absolutely horrendous....That's why he cleaned house and only kept Larry Johnson on his staff. The results so far with the new staff are beyond comprehension in production.... OSU's problem wasn't with their talent but on coaching... They only won all their games last year but one with their offense.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think a lot of it is the good ole boy clique at the major programs is turned off by his quirkiness, and I could see Leach himself not wanting much to do at all with the good ole boy (e.g., Jimmy Haslam) types. Fans find that stuff funny and charming (especially when he's winning), but his bosses wouldn't.

Leach has put together nice teams in low pressure, relatively low expectation environments. There, his affinity for pirates and stuff like that is seen as charming because while they want to have a solid football program, it's taken nowhere near as seriously. I think the article below puts it pretty well:


Will Mike Leach spend his career as an outsider?
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Hes a different cat no doubt.

But sooner or later you would success would trump odd. It's not like just a handful of schools have had the chance to hire him.
 
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Leach’s defensive woes are not schematic, but are primarily based on lack of talent. Their defensive linemen are all 250 pound range and there is serious lack of speed throughout the defense. WSU’s defense looks like a service academy athletically. The defensive problems would not translate to a school with UT type talent. As another poster pointed out, Leach’s problems would be whether he could handle life in the fishbowl, and whether he could effectively gladhand the money people like Haslem.
 
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orange blossom said:
Alex Grinch was one of the defensive coordinations that oversaw the worst defense (at least statistically) last year in Ohio State hiostory. Terrible, absolutely horrendous....That's why he cleaned house and only kept Larry Johnson on his staff. The results so far with the new staff are beyond comprehension in production.... OSU's problem wasn't with their talent but on coaching... They only won all their games last year but one with their offense.
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That defense was awful, but remember it was actually headed (and had been headed for the preceding few years) by Schiano. Grinch came over a a co-DC.

Day cleaned house on the defensive side of the ball, but Grinch fell up. Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma don't ask you to come over and remake their defense if you're just some idiot.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Hes a different cat no doubt.

But sooner or later you would success would trump odd. It's not like just a handful of schools have had the chance to hire him.
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That's a really good point. Him not getting a big job after Texas Tech makes more sense because of the Adam James thing and his (very public) campaign against his former employer for money he thinks he's owed. Even if you're in the right, that kind of stuff has a way of scaring people off from hiring you.
 
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