Mike Riley Dismissed From Nebraska. (Official)

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Looks like the perfect timing for Scott Frost to go back to his alma mater.
 
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I'm not so sure Frost is going back. If we're being honest, Nebraska is probably a downgrade from UCF. I know no one at Nebraska wants to hear that, but it's probably the most difficult "power program" in America to recruit to. UCF currently has a higher ranked recruiting class than Nebraska.

I guess the question is which is more important to Frost: returning home or winning a national title? It's going to be very difficult to win a national title at Nebraska. Mind you, I'd much rather him end up at Nebraska than Florida, but he certainly has a better chance to win a national title at Florida. Or at Tennessee, but feel like Florida has a leg up on us since he's already in Florida.
 
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Frostie has to weigh his loyalty and being close to his parents again against the fact that the Nebraska job just isn't what it used to be or ever will be again. He's a really smart guy and has to know this. Will be interesting to see what he does.

Being that Chip Kelly rebuffed Florida and Frost is his protege, I'm thinking UF isn't in the plans either.

I'm going with the unexpected guess and say he stays at UCF until the next round of coaching spots open next year. He really can pick and choose his future destination.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
It's going to be very difficult to win a national title at Nebraska.
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It's difficult to win a national title just about anywhere. Just because Bama makes it look easy with Saban doesn't mean that it is, and it's not going to be easy for them once he's gone. They won exactly one national championship between 1979 and when Saban got there.

Nebraska is a Big 10 school with a bajillion national and conference titles in its history. It was a college football power for about 50 years before Callahan and Riley ran them off the rails. Yes, it's a place you have to be able to recruit to in order to win, but if you can do that, the school will give you everything you need.

It's no harder to win there than it is at Tennessee, and anything negative you can say about one, you can say about the other. And if your argument is geography, then explain how Kansas State has managed to have a few teams contend for the national championship in the last 20 years? If K-State, which has nothing going for it except Bill Snyder, can do it, then Nebraska sure as hell can.
 
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jsc1973 said:
It's no harder to win there than it is at Tennessee, .
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It's significantly harder to win a national title at Nebraska than it is at Tennessee. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. It's extremely difficult to get top talent there. It's BY FAR the toughest "prestige program" job at this point in time. There's not even a close 2nd.

and anything negative you can say about one, you can say about the other.
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Nebraska produces virtually no blue chip talent and every state bordering it produces virtually no blue chip talent. You have to go over 500 miles to even find a significant source of talent and that's Chicago, which is a much weaker area for college football talent than any of the major Southern cities (Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, etc).

You can not 'say the same thing' about Tennessee or any other "prestige program."

And if your argument is geography, then explain how Kansas State has managed to have a few teams contend for the national championship in the last 20 years?
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1999 is the last time Kansas State could reasonably be considered to have contended for the national title. And Bill Snyder is arguably one of the top 10 greatest college football coaches of all-time. Not saying Scott Frost couldn't be so great that he could win a national title at Nebraska; but it's ludicrous to suggest he has as good of an opportunity to do so at Nebraska as he would at Florida or Tennessee. He has a better shot at winning a national title at UCF than Nebraska.
 
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It seems like a crazy amount of power 5 jobs being open this year. Out of all years why this one!?! Smh sigh
 
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Boston Vol said:
You mean except for 2012 when they were undefeated and ranked #2 in late November.
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Still doesn't really change the fact that it's harder to win a national title at Nebraska / Kansas State than Florida / Tennessee. Bill Snyder is an all-time great coach. At somewhere like Alabama, Texas, or Florida, he could've won multiple national titles.
 
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If kids can be recruited to Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio, the right guy at Nebraska will do just fine. Nebraska has just as much history, etc as any other Big10 school. Weather sucks in the winter up here regardless of the specific state. He'll do fine there.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Still doesn't really change the fact that it's harder to win a national title at Nebraska / Kansas State than Florida / Tennessee. Bill Snyder is an all-time great coach. At somewhere like Alabama, Texas, or Florida, he could've won multiple national titles.
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For us to have won a championship the last decade we would have had to beat Saban twice in one year. How many coach's could do that here? I don't think it's as easy to win the natty here as you may think.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
It's significantly harder to win a national title at Nebraska than it is at Tennessee. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. It's extremely difficult to get top talent there. It's BY FAR the toughest "prestige program" job at this point in time. There's not even a close 2nd.
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1970-71-94-95-97, and one game away in about eight other seasons vs.

1998, and one game away in 1970.

Historical facts say YOU are delusional.

And Tom Osborne never seemed to have any trouble recruiting there.

In fact, neither did Bo Pelini. You do realize that right before Nebraska screwed up and hired a Pac-10 also-ran, they went 67-27 under Pelini, a coach so respected that he hasn't gotten a better job than Youngstown State since. When was the last time Tennessee won 67 games in a 94-game stretch? Probably well back into the Fulmer era.

Nebraska produces virtually no blue chip talent and every state bordering it produces virtually no blue chip talent. You have to go over 500 miles to even find a significant source of talent and that's Chicago, which is a much weaker area for college football talent than any of the major Southern cities (Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, etc).

You can not 'say the same thing' about Tennessee or any other "prestige program."
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There is virtually no blue chip talent in Tennessee outside of Memphis, which is 400 miles from Knoxville. Sure, there's plenty in some of the neighboring states, but this isn't the 1990's and you don't have people like Goff, Hallman, DuBose, DiNardo, Donnan and Buster Brown minding the store in those states anymore. Under those circumstances, you win at Tennessee the same way you win with the Huskers--you recruit nationally and you have to be really good at it.

1999 is the last time Kansas State could reasonably be considered to have contended for the national title. And Bill Snyder is arguably one of the top 10 greatest college football coaches of all-time. Not saying Scott Frost couldn't be so great that he could win a national title at Nebraska; but it's ludicrous to suggest he has as good of an opportunity to do so at Nebraska as he would at Florida or Tennessee. He has a better shot at winning a national title at UCF than Nebraska.
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Except that on the morning of November 17, 2012, Kansas State was 10-0 and ranked No. 2 in the country. Oops...

But I'll accept your notion that it's ludicrous to think Scott Frost might have a better chance to win a national title at a school with five national championships in 47 years, as opposed to a school with one in 65 years. Or that he'd have a better chance to win one at a school that never played a down of major-college football until 1996.
 
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