Minimum wage = Gay marriage?

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volinbham

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For all those complaining about gay marriage initiatives being used to lure republican voters, do you feel the same about minimum wage initiatives being used to lure democratic voters - particularly effective in Montana and Missouri?
 
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The minimum wage is actually a valid topic that really effects millions of Americans unlike all the gay marriage hype..
 
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Who really makes minimum wage? The reason that the minimum wage issue has traction in closed-shop states is that most collective bargaining agreements contain clauses whereby employees wages will automatically be increased by whatever percentage increase there is in the minimum wage. Again, I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be increased just stating a fact.
 
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I'd also like to add that if I am ever offered the opportunity to vote myself a pay raise I'll sure as heck vote for it.
 
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OWB said:
Why is that?
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Unclear whether or not it actually raises the standard of living since it will put upward pressure on the price of goods, create inflationary pressures which typically put upward pressure on interest rates.

In short, it could be nothing more than a feel good measure (you make more, you spend more).
 
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Since we basically see very few people making minimum wage, what's the legitimacy of this issue to begin with? Even McDonald's pays about $1.50/hr more than MW.
 
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volinbham said:
Unclear whether or not it actually raises the standard of living since it will put upward pressure on the price of goods, create inflationary pressures which typically put upward pressure on interest rates.

In short, it could be nothing more than a feel good measure (you make more, you spend more).
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So let me get this straight, the price of everything continues to go up, but these minimum wage workers making one more pitiful dollar is going to bring everything crashing down? I thought you were talking about a really strong economy the other day. Is it really in fact that fragile?

If not raise minimum wage, what do you suggest doing to help these people who are stuggling to live. (other than suggest they go to school and get a better job)
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Since we basically see very few people making minimum wage, what's the legitimacy of this issue to begin with? Even McDonald's pays about $1.50/hr more than MW.
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In the Nashville area fast food franchises were hanging banners from the roof advertising $9-$10 per hour, sometimes more, in the mid-1990s. The illegal community killed that. If you really want to create a living wage you need to start by getting rid of the cheap, illegal labor. IMO the beter way to do that would be by putting people on a citizenship track. Once the immigrants no longer fear being deported they will demand something better.
 
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Go ahead and deport them all and watch even more jobs go outside the US.

With all the whining about illegals I have yet to see ANY tangible measures actually going afer the people who hire them. Considering the ones hiring them are the ones breaking the most laws, you'd figure we'd be going after these patriotic Americans for breaking the laws. But we'd rather load people on buses and ship them back home and call that justice.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Go ahead and deport them all and watch even more jobs go outside the US.

With all the whining about illegals I have yet to see ANY tangible measures actually going afer the people who hire them. Considering the ones hiring them are the ones breaking the most laws, you'd figure we'd be going after these patriotic Americans for breaking the laws. But we'd rather load people on buses and ship them back home and call that justice.
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I agree with you, but wouldn't that cut down on illegals and cause more outsourcing as well?
 
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Well most of my comments are just jabbing at the whole "rule of law" crowd who call for laws to be enforced and more to crack down but yet ignore the ones, the Americans, who are breaking the most laws. If those people were truly sincere, they'd go after ALL lawbreakers. As I've said a while back on the issue, I've seen people who attend these rallies calling for more crackdowns on illegals go back to work - their own companies that hire these people. There are a few big supporters of my former Congressman who all have a few illegals working for them.
 
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Part of the problem is that most employers are playing by the rules. If someone gives them a bogus green card and some form of ID (even ID issued by a foreign consul has been accepted in many states) the employer who digs deeper risks a workplace discrimination/hostile work environment complaint wiht the EEOC and a potential lawsuit. Basically, if they provide a valid # (social security or work visa) you can't do squat. Those laws need to be changed if you are going to effectively go after your garden variety employer of illegals. Of course, all kinds of civil liberty groups would raise holy heck over anything that "diminishes" privacy rights so I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

It's interesting to note that this is the exact opposite of most beer/liquor laws which hold the seller responsible for selling to someone who has fake ID because the seller is expected to be able to tell the difference.
 
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OWB said:
So let me get this straight, the price of everything continues to go up, but these minimum wage workers making one more pitiful dollar is going to bring everything crashing down? I thought you were talking about a really strong economy the other day. Is it really in fact that fragile?
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Not fragile at all - the point is $1.00 more per hour may be completely consumed by slightly higher prices and interest rates.

The issue is - does this provide a real increase in income or an imaginary one.
 
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I don't think all of those sitting outside Home Depot and the corner convenience store jumping in the back of a pickup truck are passing off fake green cards.
 
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champyvol said:
because he is a republican and poor people should get more poor, republicans have and always will throw the working man under the bus. just my opinion.
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Ah yes, poor people being thrown under the bus by government. If only they lived in America, then they would be free to make as much money as they chose to, oh wait....they do
 
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allvol123 said:
Ah yes, poor people being thrown under the bus by government. If only they lived in America, then they would be free to make as much money as they chose to, oh wait....they do
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in some cases that is true. in alot of cases it is not
 
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OWB said:
If not raise minimum wage, what do you suggest doing to help these people who are stuggling to live. (other than suggest they go to school and get a better job)
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Some type of tax rationalization. The people that are truly living at minimum wage are already free from Fed. income tax. But they get hit with relatively high consumption taxes (gas, phone, sales tax, etc.) and FICA.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I don't think all of those sitting outside Home Depot and the corner convenience store jumping in the back of a pickup truck are passing off fake green cards.
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Those are "independent contractors". I say that tounge in cheeck, but that is exaclty how the expenditures for their labor are reported to the IRS. Usually, there is one person who is legal that acts as the sub for all the laborers and the general contractor reports payments to the legal person's Tax ID#. As for the more conventional day laborer who might get hired by a random person to clear brush, dig a hole, or whatever, I don't know how you're ever going to get rid of that.
 
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