Mississippi gov. supports amendment to declare fertilized egg a person

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Stuff like this is pointless when you know it will get struck down.
 
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rjd970 said:
Because some of us aren't ready to call a clump of cells a person.

On the flip side, aborting an 9 month fetus is nothing but an act of murder.

There is a middle ground, both extremes have it wrong IMO.
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But would you consider it life?
 
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rjd970 said:
Because some of us aren't ready to call a clump of cells a person.

On the flip side, aborting an 9 month fetus is nothing but an act of murder.

There is a middle ground, both extremes have it wrong IMO.
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Where does that middle ground lie? What is the cutoff?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
But would you consider it life?
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Not anymore than I would consider sprem a life.

Where does that middle ground lie? What is the cutoff?
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I don't know. And quite frankly, neither do you. You are choosing an arbitrary point. The joke about their being a third person in the room before the man and woman light their cigarettes come to mind. It's an absurd notion.
 
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rjd970 said:
Not anymore than I would consider sprem a life.



I don't know. And quite frankly, neither do you. You are choosing an arbitrary point. The joke about their being a third person in the room before the man and woman light their cigarettes come to mind. It's an absurd notion.
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there comes a point when the fetus can survive outside the womb. I'd like to see some sort of medical consensus based on something like 24, 25 or 26 week minimum viability (or earlier, as medical science improves).

I can't get behind the "life begins at conception" policy. That's just an easy way to get out of having a debate. There is a potential for life at conception, but it's not guaranteed.

Miscarriages, Preventing Miscarriages and Repeated Pregnancy Loss :: CHR

If one looks at unselected populations of women, the average miscarriage rate is actually not that high. Roughly 15% of all pregnancies are lost at various possible miscarriage stages. This number can, however, be misleading, especially for patients with fertility problems who, very often, have a much higher miscarriage risk.
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MG1968 said:
there comes a point when the fetus can survive outside the womb. I'd like to see some sort of medical consensus based on something like 24, 25 or 26 week minimum viability (or earlier, as medical science improves).

I can't get behind the "life begins at conception" policy. That's just an easy way to get out of having a debate. There is a potential for life at conception, but it's not guaranteed.

Miscarriages, Preventing Miscarriages and Repeated Pregnancy Loss :: CHR
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Is this life surviving on an incubator? If so, I am not sure I understand the fundamental difference.

According to Judeo-Christian mythology, is "life" not given to Man through God's breath? Therefore, would it be incorrect to say that from a Judeo-Christian perspective, life begins with the first breath?
 
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If it can't support itself (i.e., breathe, eat, have all life sustaining functions in place) outside of the womb, then it isn't actually a person at that point. It's a collection of cells that has the potential to become a human, but it isn't one at that time.
 
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KingNick865 said:
If it can't support itself (i.e., breathe, eat, have all life sustaining functions in place) outside of the womb, then it isn't actually a person at that point. It's a collection of cells that has the potential to become a human, but it isn't one at that time.
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Personally, I draw the line at when it can experience pain, have feelings, respond to its surroundings in the womb. Not sure if that is at the same time it can survive outside the womb, but makes sense to me. Not sure I can get on board with any termination after the 3 or 4 month mark.
 
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rjd970 said:
Personally, I draw the line at when it can experience pain, have feelings, respond to its surroundings in the womb. Not sure if that is at the same time it can survive outside the womb, but makes sense to me. Not sure I can get on board with any termination after the 3 or 4 month mark.
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This would simply equate human life with animal life; in taking this stance, if one legislated against abortion due to the presence of these factors, one would have to legislate against the killing of animals (in my opinion).
 
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therealUT said:
This would simply equate human life with animal life; in taking this stance, if one legislated against abortion due to the presence of these factors, one would have to legislate against the killing of animals (in my opinion).
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I'm going to respectfully disagree. We are fundamentally different then animals, our emotions and sensations carry more weight, given that are brains are the most developed in the animal world. JMO.

Again though, I don't pretend to know where the line should be drawn.
 
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therealUT said:
Is this life surviving on an incubator? If so, I am not sure I understand the fundamental difference.

According to Judeo-Christian mythology, is "life" not given to Man through God's breath? Therefore, would it be incorrect to say that from a Judeo-Christian perspective, life begins with the first breath?
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well, that would certainly blow the minds of the Rick Santorums of the world.
 
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rjd970 said:
Personally, I draw the line at when it can experience pain, have feelings, respond to its surroundings in the womb. Not sure if that is at the same time it can survive outside the womb, but makes sense to me. Not sure I can get on board with any termination after the 3 or 4 month mark.
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12 weeks is too early as genetic testing is rare before that point except for a cvs test which is dangerous. Let the parent(s) make the decision up until the fetus can potentially live on its own
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utvolpj said:
12 weeks is too early as genetic testing is rare before that point except for a cvs test which is dangerous. Let the parent(s) make the decision up until the fetus can potentially live on its own
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Yep
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