Mizzu common opponents arguement is sketchy

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Ok, so let me give my 1.5 cents on this.

Florida: Yes they were worse off than when Tennessee played them but their new starting QB (freshman) tossed the ball for 300 yards and they ran it for 200. They held Florida to around 150 yards total. Depleted helps? Of course it does. Is UT better than when they played them? Of course. However, I don't see enough credit for this win.

Georgia: Did I miss some key injuries from this game? Because they played UT the game before, and Marshal was knocked out right off the bat. So, were there several more injuries that made Georgia down 18 at the half and 15 at the end? Honestly I don't know I need some filling in.

SCjr: Is a good argument. Had Shaw been in there would it had even been close? Yet it's also hard to see the Ol Ball Coach drop another one. I had them winning. However you can't use the "we beat SCjr" considering the other 2 games.

UT didn't help themselves with the loss to Bama in viewers eyes. Basically, I don't see how UT is being disrepected. If Worley was playing healthy I bet it would be by a FG but freshman Dobbs is making his 1st start on the road. Hard to put money on UT from the outside world.
 
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Georgia also lost their leading receiver Justin-Scott Wesley for the season as well as receiver Michael Bennet. Yes, the Dawgs limped out of Knoxville and are still limping.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Ok, so let me give my 1.5 cents on this.

Florida: Yes they were worse off than when Tennessee played them but their new starting QB (freshman) tossed the ball for 300 yards and they ran it for 200. They held Florida to around 150 yards total. Depleted helps? Of course it does. Is UT better than when they played them? Of course. However, I don't see enough credit for this win.

Georgia: Did I miss some key injuries from this game? Because they played UT the game before, and Marshal was knocked out right off the bat. So, were there several more injuries that made Georgia down 18 at the half and 15 at the end? Honestly I don't know I need some filling in.

SCjr: Is a good argument. Had Shaw been in there would it had even been close? Yet it's also hard to see the Ol Ball Coach drop another one. I had them winning. However you can't use the "we beat SCjr" considering the other 2 games.

UT didn't help themselves with the loss to Bama in viewers eyes. Basically, I don't see how UT is being disrepected. If Worley was playing healthy I bet it would be by a FG but freshman Dobbs is making his 1st start on the road. Hard to put money on UT from the outside world.
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UT should of beat Florida, but the Peterman experiment blew up.
UT played Georgia with everyone but Gurley at the start of the game. Players were hurt as game went on. Missouri played Georgia with 6 or so starters out at the beginning of game and still almost beat them.
UT played SC at full strength, controlled Shaw pretty much whole game. Shaw didn't go out until 5 minutes to go in game. Shaw doesn't play first 3 quarters in Missouri game, comes in fourth and scores 17 points because Missouri can't stop him.
UT will beat Missouri simply because UT is the more physical team and with the added element of Dobbs running the ball. Missouri hasn't played the quality of competition that UT has played. Yes UT layed an egg last week, but it was an egg against the number 1 team in the country. Look for UT to win by 10+ today.
 
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I feel that the Missouri hangover from the USC jr. loss will play a bigger role than most give credit. They didn't just lose last week....they blew a 17 point lead. That can take a toll mentally on a team.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Ok, so let me give my 1.5 cents on this.

Florida: Yes they were worse off than when Tennessee played them but their new starting QB (freshman) tossed the ball for 300 yards and they ran it for 200. They held Florida to around 150 yards total. Depleted helps? Of course it does. Is UT better than when they played them? Of course. However, I don't see enough credit for this win.

Georgia: Did I miss some key injuries from this game? Because they played UT the game before, and Marshal was knocked out right off the bat. So, were there several more injuries that made Georgia down 18 at the half and 15 at the end? Honestly I don't know I need some filling in.

SCjr: Is a good argument. Had Shaw been in there would it had even been close? Yet it's also hard to see the Ol Ball Coach drop another one. I had them winning. However you can't use the "we beat SCjr" considering the other 2 games.

UT didn't help themselves with the loss to Bama in viewers eyes. Basically, I don't see how UT is being disrepected. If Worley was playing healthy I bet it would be by a FG but freshman Dobbs is making his 1st start on the road. Hard to put money on UT from the outside world.
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I see where you're coming from. I think it's hard to judge this kind of thing because of the intangibles. Georgia should have beat Mizzou IMO. Georgia is better. But Mizzou's weakness lies in their secondary and Aaron Murray wasn't able to exploit that with Bennet and Scott-Wesley out. But again, there are intangibles. Georgia was done. They came into this season with a mind towards the NC since they were one play away from it last year. After almost losing to us, struggling with North Texas the week before, and realizing that their injuries were severe enough to keep them out of the race, they just weren't the same Georgia team. They haven't been since (hence the Vandy loss).

I don't know what to say about Florida. They are not better than us. They just seem to have our number. For some reason they always play their best game of the year against us, and we always play our worst against them. Now granted the Peterman experiment may very well have cost us the game, but Florida's best player was Easley. Easley gave us fits all day long and Mizzou didn't have to deal with him. They also lost a major player in their secondary (Poole maybe? Not sure of his name) that Mizzou didn't have to deal with.

I don't know that these differences explained the defecits, but another intangible is the spirit and maturity. When we played Georgia we had just come off a nail-biter to South Alabama. Now we've upset South Carolina and proven to ourselves we do have the tools to win. Georgia and Florida were both en route to the big leagues (SEC Championship, BCS bowls, etc) when they played us, Mizzou got both teams after they realized their new goal was 6 wins.

Mindset carries a whole whole lot of weight.
 
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OK, so like, I am going to close my eyes and pick between two pieces of paper with the team names on them to see who wins the game. OK, heeeere goes................................ WOW!!, I selected the Vols!!!! And my cat just selected the other piece of paper and you absolutely will not believe this. Sophie selected the Vols too! It's a miracle I tell you, a miracle. God Bless the Big Orange!
 
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VolinWayne said:
Georgia also lost their leading receiver Justin-Scott Wesley for the season as well as receiver Michael Bennet. Yes, the Dawgs limped out of Knoxville and are still limping.
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Yeah what ^ he said, also I believe things would have looked a lot different vs Florida if Driskel didnt get injured. That was in my mind almost as bad as Peterman playing the first half. Driskel is a interception throwing QB, and he started off against the VOLS doing the same in what was it the first or second drive... We would have struggled because of Peterman, but the D would have kept us in it more till Worley came in.
 
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Teams are 1-12 on the road the week following an Alabama game. I think teams will be
2-12 after today...


This is a Coaching Game. That is the only factor in this game. Game hinges on Prep, adjustments, in game decisions and special teams.

We win....1st road win since whenever. 2nd signature win. Mizzou will lose to Ole Miss, Texas A&M. 4-4 in Sec
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Yeah what ^ he said, also I believe things would have looked a lot different vs Florida if Driskel didnt get injured. That was in my mind almost as bad as Peterman playing the first half. Driskel is a interception throwing QB, and he started off against the VOLS doing the same in what was it the first or second drive... We would have struggled because of Peterman, but the D would have kept us in it more till Worley came in.
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I definitely agree that Driskel getting hurt did not hurt them at all
 
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VolinNooga14 said:
Someone watched College Gameday:eek:k:
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As much as I hate ESPN, I did. Always do unless I am headed to K town for game. Or if I overnight in K town before the game.

This game is in CBJs & staffs wheelhouse. Cards are in line for the upset(cough). I expect to see Franklin in the game. This kid is a player.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Ok, so let me give my 1.5 cents on this.

Florida: Yes they were worse off than when Tennessee played them but their new starting QB (freshman) tossed the ball for 300 yards and they ran it for 200. They held Florida to around 150 yards total. Depleted helps? Of course it does. Is UT better than when they played them? Of course. However, I don't see enough credit for this win.

Georgia: Did I miss some key injuries from this game? Because they played UT the game before, and Marshal was knocked out right off the bat. So, were there several more injuries that made Georgia down 18 at the half and 15 at the end? Honestly I don't know I need some filling in.

SCjr: Is a good argument. Had Shaw been in there would it had even been close? Yet it's also hard to see the Ol Ball Coach drop another one. I had them winning. However you can't use the "we beat SCjr" considering the other 2 games.

UT didn't help themselves with the loss to Bama in viewers eyes. Basically, I don't see how UT is being disrepected. If Worley was playing healthy I bet it would be by a FG but freshman Dobbs is making his 1st start on the road. Hard to put money on UT from the outside world.
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GA lost their leading receiver and others. Florida lost their best Def Lineman during our game and slso several starters on their D. Yes both are big factors.
 
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volpreacher said:
UT should of beat Florida, but the Peterman experiment blew up.
UT played Georgia with everyone but Gurley at the start of the game. Players were hurt as game went on. Missouri played Georgia with 6 or so starters out at the beginning of game and still almost beat them.
UT played SC at full strength, controlled Shaw pretty much whole game. Shaw didn't go out until 5 minutes to go in game. Shaw doesn't play first 3 quarters in Missouri game, comes in fourth and scores 17 points because Missouri can't stop him.
UT will beat Missouri simply because UT is the more physical team and with the added element of Dobbs running the ball. Missouri hasn't played the quality of competition that UT has played. Yes UT layed an egg last week, but it was an egg against the number 1 team in the country. Look for UT to win by 10+ today.
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We wouldn't have beaten UF with Worley. Worley turned it over equally as much in a half that Peterman did. Neither QB did much of anything except turn it over.
 
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The fact is UT couldn't beat Florida but we're tying to convince vegas and the experts that they can beat a much better team with the 3rd stringer?

Georgia was more depleted, yes, but Mizzu handled business and beat them like they should have. It's not like they struggled to beat a wounded Florida and Georgia they took care of them. Is Mizzu overrated? Yeah definitely, but I don't see why people think UT is getting shafted today. They are saying a close game and I think the line is about right considering the unknowns.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
We wouldn't have beaten UF with Worley. Worley turned it over equally as much in a half that Peterman did. Neither QB did much of anything except turn it over.
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Yes I know this, in the UT game the week before. UT had the benefit of not having those players in yet they couldn't stop Murray at the end when it mattered and they played very well. Plus, Georgia had a week to prepare anddd get the other guys ready. If UT coulnt beat Georgia or play respectable against Alabama with Worley, what should convince the experts they can WIN today with Dobbs?
 
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Truth is we have no idea how well Dobbs will play. That is the biggest unknown. We can speculate about our DBs against their receivers and their DLine against our OLine all day and debate. I agree around 10 points at their place with an unknown QB is about right. 14 or more would be too much. I have no read on this game though. If Dobbs has a coming out party and we get a couple turnovers we could win by 10-14. If not, then they could cover.

Think this is the most "don't know how we will do/play" game since before Georgia.

It's exciting bc it could be a real good game and we could win. Wasn't saying that much this time last year, at least not with confidence
 
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Andre Ware just called the SEC East "5 deep" during the MsSt USCe game. Those 5 would be Mizzou, USC, UGA, UF, and UT. FWIW
 
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By the time Mizzou got to GA, it was like playing us without Neal, Lane, North and Pig!

At that point we would basically be Kentucky!



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The experts have it right IMO. MU is angry about last week and will be trying to make a statement tonight that they are the best team in the east. A night game at home, cold weather, UT starting a true freshman, 3rd string QB. Safeties banged up. That stadium will be rocking and the Vols haven't played well on the road this year. Odds are Vols won't be much of a challenge.

Bottom line is most here aren't giving MU enough credit, they're pretty good, better than they played last week IMO. I'm just looking for continued improvements from our team, not expecting a win. I'll be excited if we can beat the spread.
 
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volpreacher said:
UT should of beat Florida, but the Peterman experiment blew up.
UT played Georgia with everyone but Gurley at the start of the game. Players were hurt as game went on. Missouri played Georgia with 6 or so starters out at the beginning of game and still almost beat them.
UT played SC at full strength, controlled Shaw pretty much whole game. Shaw didn't go out until 5 minutes to go in game. Shaw doesn't play first 3 quarters in Missouri game, comes in fourth and scores 17 points because Missouri can't stop him.
UT will beat Missouri simply because UT is the more physical team and with the added element of Dobbs running the ball. Missouri hasn't played the quality of competition that UT has played. Yes UT layed an egg last week, but it was an egg against the number 1 team in the country. Look for UT to win by 10+ today.
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Very little of this matters IMO. It's all about matchups, which Missouri wins most of, Missouri's team confidence and intensity and our utter ineptness on the road. If we don't come out ready to play with great intensity from the get-go this game will get away from us early and be over at halftime IMO.
 
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I believe we win this one...we start yes a "freshman" a freshman who lead us to 10points against the #1 team in the nation and was basically thrown to the wolfs no practice or nothing...Im excited to see what he can do...so many wide open WR's not being hit due to bad passes from Worley so if we can move the ball on O and give the D a break we have a great chance to win this one!! Dig Deep VOLS!!!
 
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Other_Guy said:
The fact is UT couldn't beat Florida but we're tying to convince vegas and the experts that they can beat a much better team with the 3rd stringer?

Georgia was more depleted, yes, but Mizzu handled business and beat them like they should have. It's not like they struggled to beat a wounded Florida and Georgia they took care of them. Is Mizzu overrated? Yeah definitely, but I don't see why people think UT is getting shafted today. They are saying a close game and I think the line is about right considering the unknowns.
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Ugh they did struggle to beat GA. did u even watch?
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Other_Guy said:
Yes I know this, in the UT game the week before. UT had the benefit of not having those players in yet they couldn't stop Murray at the end when it mattered and they played very well. Plus, Georgia had a week to prepare anddd get the other guys ready. If UT coulnt beat Georgia or play respectable against Alabama with Worley, what should convince the experts they can WIN today with Dobbs?
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the fact that we shouldn't be hanging with Georgia or SC...we beat a ranked team and almost upset another (don't blame pig he tried to make a play and put it all out on the field) that being said from what I saw watching Worley play a half and dobbs play a half against bama...Offence couldn't move the ball went 3 and out with Worley at helm etc...then dobbs comes out moves the ball to put us in shape to score 10points and also got the Defence fired up and they were able to make a couple of plays...we kill ourselves going 3 and out we don't have the depth to hang so we have to give them some rest
 
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Volador said:
OK, so like, I am going to close my eyes and pick between two pieces of paper with the team names on them to see who wins the game. OK, heeeere goes................................ WOW!!, I selected the Vols!!!! And my cat just selected the other piece of paper and you absolutely will not believe this. Sophie selected the Vols too! It's a miracle I tell you, a miracle. God Bless the Big Orange!
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While your eyes were closed someone replaced the mizzou piece with a Tennessee piece. Your cat is smarter than most of the football pundits. I agree, Vols win. :yes::yes:
 
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