Mo Couch expected to know Thursday..

[UTProf]

Couch can't play but Johnnie Football, who quite obviously took money, can? That's bull$hit.

Johnny's worth too much to A&M and sports writers/ESPN who love to see his shenanigans. He's the guy everyone loves to hate and that is a role that brings in the ratings. To his credit since the Bama game, he's finally toned it down. Maybe he gets that his shenanigans may bring him infamy/fame right now but that if he doesn't cool it he'll hurt his long-term career.

That said, Mo didn't take enough $$$ to matter to the NCAA and it's not typically a sum they'd spend this much time on. However, the NCAA taking it's sweet time may well mean that they are looking harder at Bama than we realize. I don't think this is about Mo so much as Bama -- that's always been ground zero of this particular mess. I hate that Mo's caught in the dragnet but I get the feeling anymore that he's collateral damage.

 

[vol66]

#free mo couch

 

[Vol knight]

Couch can't play but Johnnie Football, who quite obviously took money, can? That's bull$hit.

Since you seem to know that Johnny took money, could you post an actual picture of him taking money? The difference between Mo and Johnny is that there was solid physical evidence of Couch taking money. All we definitively know about Johnny is that he signed a ton of autographs.

 

[DeerPark12]

I agree. We had a player several years ago whose father died. Can't remember who just think he was from the west coast area. We (the University) could not give him the money to buy a round trip ticket or for a suit to get him home to the funeral because it was an NCAA violation. He made it home for the funeral, but I thought geez how much money can this be for him to pay his respects and mourn his loss with his family. The money we would have given him would have amounted to 2 season tickets and a parking pass.

For situations like this and possibly the Mo Couch situation the universities and NCAA ought to set up an Emergency Relief Fund for players that experience hardships because of the restrictions on giving a player money when it is an emergency situation that warrants monetary relief.

If amount is a problem then cap it. Make it available to all student athletes and track spending through receipts or like welfare credit cards.

I laughed at the Taco story still do every time I think about it.....most know more went on than that at every football university in America.

If your school couldn't/wouldn't buy that player a ticket home, then you have a terrible compliance officer. The NCAA specifically allows schools to assist in such cases through the special assistance fund. It exists to help athletes when a family member is ill or dies. Players can also qualify for assurance from it it their apartment is broken into or burns.

The fund also allows schools to give players money for things like laptops and even suits and dress clothes for team events and job interviews.

It's basically exactly as you mentioned you wish they would set up. It already exists.

 

[volger]

Since you seem to know that Johnny took money, could you post an actual picture of him taking money? The difference between Mo and Johnny is that there was solid physical evidence of Couch taking money. All we definitively know about Johnny is that he signed a ton of autographs.

He did sit out the 1st quarter of their 1st game. Bless his heart. Justice served. Give me a break. This is all on the NCAA.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Since you seem to know that Johnny took money, could you post an actual picture of him taking money? The difference between Mo and Johnny is that there was solid physical evidence of Couch taking money. All we definitively know about Johnny is that he signed a ton of autographs.

Yeah the guys who saw him take money were all just lying right? No it's like another poster said, ESPN loves Manziel and they swing off of his ball sack.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

Since you seem to know that Johnny took money, could you post an actual picture of him taking money? The difference between Mo and Johnny is that there was solid physical evidence of Couch taking money. All we definitively know about Johnny is that he signed a ton of autographs.

... for money. :ermm:

 

[JCHateSteve]

Couch did wrong, he admitted to it. A young man made a bad choice while in a bad situation from the sound of it. I am not trying to excuse what he did. It was wrong.

Those of you defending "Johnny Football" should read between the lines. You can say there was no evidence as much as you want. I will even agree with you as soon as someone posts a link as to the specifics of the NCAA investigation.

After what happened with Cam Newton are we really going to try to say there isn't a double standard within the NCAA based on the money a player generates? It's funny how "big time" players always seem to get past allegations of wrong doing while they are in school.

Mo would have been better off denying anything happened. He would have lost nothing. That's a sad commentary on the state of college football.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Couch did wrong, he admitted to it. A young man made a bad choice while in a bad situation from the sound of it. I am not trying to excuse what he did. It was wrong.

Those of you defending "Johnny Football" should read between the lines. You can say there was no evidence as much as you want. I will even agree with you as soon as someone posts a link as to the specifics of the NCAA investigation.

After what happened with Cam Newton are we really going to try to say there isn't a double standard within the NCAA based on the money a player generates? It's funny how "big time" players always seem to get past allegations of wrong doing while they are in school.

Mo would have been better off denying anything happened. He would have lost nothing. That's a sad commentary on the state of college football.

Running from the Plantation and trying to make to the Northern states was "against the rules," for slaves. Yet, how was it wrong for them to try and get out from under the tyranny of clear exploitation? Athletes aren't breaking any state or federal laws by accepting gratuities from prospective agents. It's a manipulative, and exploitative rule in the first place....cause the NCAA, conferences and member schools are making big profits off their backs (just as slave holders did from slaves). and they have the gall to claim it's an AMATEUR endeavor? :loco: Pffft.

If you leave the Plantation (college football), you ain't never gonna see the league...so you best grab your basket and start back to picking that cotton, like Massa done said.

Mo, if you happen to be reading this....Lawyer up, son....and join the class action lawsuit against the NCAA. And have your lawyer notify them, to just never mind about the appeal....you're going for more than that. You're going after their arse...in court.

 

[24/7vol]

WOW..comparing slavery to what 40 thousand or so in education, free clothing, free housing and all you can eat from your own personal menu basically. I know you're gonna say slaves had food, clothes and food from slave owners but that's no comparison. I'm not saying it's right not paying the athletes but there's no comparison to slavery.

 

[Nashvol2]

If your school couldn't/wouldn't buy that player a ticket home, then you have a terrible compliance officer. The NCAA specifically allows schools to assist in such cases through the special assistance fund. It exists to help athletes when a family member is ill or dies. Players can also qualify for assurance from it it their apartment is broken into or burns.

The fund also allows schools to give players money for things like laptops and even suits and dress clothes for team events and job interviews.

It's basically exactly as you mentioned you wish they would set up. It already exists.

 

[sanddune50]

Running from the Plantation and trying to make to the Northern states was "against the rules," for slaves. Yet, how was it wrong for them to try and get out from under the tyranny of clear exploitation? Athletes aren't breaking any state or federal laws by accepting gratuities from prospective agents. It's a manipulative, and exploitative rule in the first place....cause the NCAA, conferences and member schools are making big profits off their backs (just as slave holders did from slaves). and they have the gall to claim it's an AMATEUR endeavor? :loco: Pffft.

If you leave the Plantation (college football), you ain't never gonna see the league...so you best grab your basket and start back to picking that cotton, like Massa done said.

Mo, if you happen to be reading this....Lawyer up, son....and join the class action lawsuit against the NCAA. And have your lawyer notify them, to just never mind about the appeal....you're going for more than that. You're going after their arse...in court.

...

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Running from the Plantation and trying to make to the Northern states was "against the rules," for slaves. Yet, how was it wrong for them to try and get out from under the tyranny of clear exploitation? Athletes aren't breaking any state or federal laws by accepting gratuities from prospective agents. It's a manipulative, and exploitative rule in the first place....cause the NCAA, conferences and member schools are making big profits off their backs (just as slave holders did from slaves). and they have the gall to claim it's an AMATEUR endeavor? :loco: Pffft.

If you leave the Plantation (college football), you ain't never gonna see the league...so you best grab your basket and start back to picking that cotton, like Massa done said.

Mo, if you happen to be reading this....Lawyer up, son....and join the class action lawsuit against the NCAA. And have your lawyer notify them, to just never mind about the appeal....you're going for more than that. You're going after their arse...in court.

Are you F#cking serious? I agree that there are changes that need to be made, but my gracious. Equating these kids to slaves is pathetic. You are inadvertently disrespecting a massive amount of people with this post, including those that you are trying to stick up for.

 

[Volingatorland]

Running from the Plantation and trying to make to the Northern states was "against the rules," for slaves. Yet, how was it wrong for them to try and get out from under the tyranny of clear exploitation? Athletes aren't breaking any state or federal laws by accepting gratuities from prospective agents. It's a manipulative, and exploitative rule in the first place....cause the NCAA, conferences and member schools are making big profits off their backs (just as slave holders did from slaves). and they have the gall to claim it's an AMATEUR endeavor? :loco: Pffft.

If you leave the Plantation (college football), you ain't never gonna see the league...so you best grab your basket and start back to picking that cotton, like Massa done said.

Mo, if you happen to be reading this....Lawyer up, son....and join the class action lawsuit against the NCAA. And have your lawyer notify them, to just never mind about the appeal....you're going for more than that. You're going after their arse...in court.

Welcome to the South.

 

[governmentmule]

what the hell ? slaves ? get real,if they don't like it,they can all ways not play and pay for college or pump some gas,it's not like the players don't have a choice,I do have to say i don't get the pay them,do like a lot of people do,go and get a job and work your ass off, buy your own food,pay for your housing and utilities and then complain about a free education,i would bet a lot of them wouldn't be *****ing then

 

[GetEmVols]

College Football is a 4 year unpaid internship to the NFL. If I was doing an internship in a multimillion business that I knew wa unpaid before I started then I would not complain.

Wait... These kids are paid thousands of dollars in scholarships they obviously would not get with a GPA of 2.8 like most of them have.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Are you F#cking serious? I agree that there are changes that need to be made, but my gracious. Equating these kids to slaves is pathetic. You are inadvertently disrespecting a massive amount of people with this post, including those that you are trying to stick up for.

I'm not sure he's equating, rather comparing them, thus employing an analogy. Truth it, that analogy doesn't just fit football, it could be applied to certain types of jobs and other things. Your credit card vendor or mortgage lender for example.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not sure he's equating, rather comparing them, thus employing an analogy. Truth it, that analogy doesn't just fit football, it could be applied to certain types of jobs and other things. Your credit card vendor or mortgage lender for example.

All of which, NCAA football included, a person enters into (usually a form of contract) of their own free will. If CC companies, lenders, or the NCAA came and dragged people out of bed at the end of a sword, shackled them, and bred them in captivity, the "analogy" might stand up to level headed scrutiny.

Otherwise, it's just inflammatory, insensitive rhetoric that disrespects and minimizes actual heinous acts of history.

Next, you guys can compare carrot farming to the holocaust.

***

And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
snatching me up from my
place of slumber,
and took me on high,
and higher still until we
moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
and he bore me unto a
vast farmland of our own midwest,
and as we descended cries of
impending doom rose from the soil.
one thousand, nay, a million
voices full of fear.
and terror possessed me then.
and I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
the cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
and to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
and roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
they have a consciousness,
they have a life,
they have a soul.
damn you!
let the rabbits wear glasses,
save our brothers...can I get an amen?
can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.


:hi:

 

[WoodsmanVol]

All of which, NCAA football included, a person enters into (usually a form of contract) of their own free will. If CC companies, lenders, or the NCAA came and dragged people out of bed at the end of a sword, shackled them, and bred them in captivity, the "analogy" might stand up to level headed scrutiny.

Otherwise, it's just inflammatory, insensitive rhetoric that disrespects and minimizes actual heinous acts of history.

Next, you guys can compare carrot farming to the holocaust.

You guys???????????????

***
Irrelevant Bible mocking cut.

:hi:

Trying to figure out why you've gone pretzel over a mere comment about an analogical statement. Did catch you feel the guy's post was inflammatory, whereas I think it's hardly worth remembering for more than 15 minutes. But then again, in this hypersensitivity society today, everything is inflammatory to somebody. Jerry Springerism is alive and well. :hi:

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not sure he's equating, rather comparing them, thus employing an analogy. Truth it, that analogy doesn't just fit football, it could be applied to certain types of jobs and other things. Your credit card vendor or mortgage lender for example.

Trying to figure out why you've gone pretzel over a mere comment about an analogical statement. Did catch you feel the guy's post was inflammatory, whereas I think it's hardly worth remembering for more than 15 minutes. But then again, in this hypersensitivity society today, everything is inflammatory to somebody. Jerry Springerism is alive and well. :hi:

You actually applied and expanded the analogy yourself, thus the "you guys" inclusion.

I won't be losing any sleep over it, to be sure. But it's worthy of posting on an anonymous internet board.

I figure there are things to be sensitive about, and things not to be.

Slavery... Yah. Something to be sensitive about.

College athletes being given education, stipends, food, clothing, etc... People who borrow more than they can pay... Not so much. That's my point as a matter of fact.

:hi:

 

[BruinVol]

If your school couldn't/wouldn't buy that player a ticket home, then you have a terrible compliance officer. The NCAA specifically allows schools to assist in such cases through the special assistance fund. It exists to help athletes when a family member is ill or dies. Players can also qualify for assurance from it it their apartment is broken into or burns.

The fund also allows schools to give players money for things like laptops and even suits and dress clothes for team events and job interviews.

It's basically exactly as you mentioned you wish they would set up. It already exists.

I explained that to him days ago. Apparently he only will stop at pay for play. Choosing "emergency" fund to express that opionion was his mistake. He had no idea there really is an emergency fund now for athletes

 

[Orange_Crush]

Trying to figure out why you've gone pretzel over a mere comment about an analogical statement. Did catch you feel the guy's post was inflammatory, whereas I think it's hardly worth remembering for more than 15 minutes. But then again, in this hypersensitivity society today, everything is inflammatory to somebody. Jerry Springerism is alive and well. :hi:

Also, the final portion of my post was a song lyric, used to illustrate a point, not mock the Bible.

:hi:

 

[WoodsmanVol]

You actually applied and expanded the analogy yourself, thus the "you guys" inclusion.

I won't be losing any sleep over it, to be sure. But it's worthy of posting on an anonymous internet board.

I figure there are things to be sensitive about, and things not to be.

Slavery... Yah. Something to be sensitive about.

College athletes being given education, stipends, food, clothing, etc... People who borrow more than they can pay... Not so much. That's my point as a matter of fact.

:hi:

Actually, I agree with you on more than you may realize. I do know that for some guys on scholarship, it's not the bread wagon some assume. I was on academic scholarship at a very nice university in California. It was arranged for me to continue to remain at the dorm during summer months even when no classes were in session (lull or dead weeks I think they called it) and a few football and basketball players were in the particular dorm. BUT and I do mean but, I and some of them had no money for food and the cafeteria wasn't serving students (faculty and staff, yes) so we were on our own. Now, if you're from a well-to-do family, no problem. If not, you still have to eat. Lucky ones, got a job on or off campus if you found someone hiring. the rest were will, in need in tacos? I loaned money to some of them because I did have a job related to research, mostly categorizing stuff. Didn't pay much but kept me from starving. I had always assumed that if you were an athlete, you had it made on campus. No worries, I saw up close and personal at that university at least, not so. I suspect this is true for many others at many colleges and universities as well. So I don't know man, the analogy seems awfully close to relevancy from what I've seen.

Same thing when I visited or did intern work at private and semi-public funded programs for people with disabilities. Certain people among the clientee and staff both are treated in what has to be called an intimidating manner. Power play if you will. You had to do things other people on your level didn't. If not you were made to understand, and I quote, "We can get rid of you anytime we want." So again the analogy may jive a bit too close with reality. But if you haven't experienced it or seen it up close and personal, I guess you can't make the connection.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Actually, I agree with you on more than you may realize. I do know that for some guys on scholarship, it's not the bread wagon some assume. I was on academic scholarship at a very nice university in California. It was arranged for me to continue to remain at the dorm during summer months even when no classes were in session (lull or dead weeks I think they called it) and a few football and basketball players were in the particular dorm. BUT and I do mean but, I and some of them had no money for food and the cafeteria wasn't serving students (faculty and staff, yes) so we were on our own. Now, if you're from a well-to-do family, no problem. If not, you still have to eat. Lucky ones, got a job on or off campus if you found someone hiring. the rest were will, in need in tacos? I loaned money to some of them because I did have a job related to research, mostly categorizing stuff. Didn't pay much but kept me from starving. I had always assumed that if you were an athlete, you had it made on campus. No worries, I saw up close and personal at that university at least, not so. I suspect this is true for many others at many colleges and universities as well. So I don't know man, the analogy seems awfully close to relevancy from what I've seen.

Same thing when I visited or did intern work at private and semi-public funded programs for people with disabilities. Certain people among the clientee and staff both are treated in what has to be called an intimidating manner. Power play if you will. You had to do things other people on your level didn't. If not you were made to understand, and I quote, "We can get rid of you anytime we want." So again the analogy may jive a bit too close with reality. But if you haven't experienced it or seen it up close and personal, I guess you can't make the connection.

We've agreed and disagreed on here. In any event, I've always enjoyed the back and forth.

I'm sure that there are hardship cases in anything one could choose to talk about. It really doesn't change the fact that the athletes had/have a choice in participation. People have responsibility for knowing/managing their own finances before applying for loans or swiping credit cards. That is the primary/important distinction in the analogy.

It's been stated already that:

The football players can eat year round for free within schedule. They get free nutritionists. They get free, state of the art workout facilities and an entire complex to "hang out" in. Their housing is year round unless they choose to live outside the dorms. There are hardship moneys available to serve them. They get a free education. They get free training toward a potential NFL career. They get free clothes and swag.

And again... They are free to refuse and leave at any time.

Saying that is like slavery is like saying all churches are like Jim Jones' cult. There may be similarities, but it's usually the differences that matter.

The similarities may be superficial enough to be funny on an episode of South Park. But the differences are drastic enough to make it ill-suited for a serious conversation, and most likely offensive to someone with an emotional investment in the object of the analogy-- i.e. slavery in American history.

:good!:

 

[Face]

Since you seem to know that Johnny took money, could you post an actual picture of him taking money? The difference between Mo and Johnny is that there was solid physical evidence of Couch taking money. All we definitively know about Johnny is that he signed a ton of autographs.

Dude... He took money.