Mo Couch expected to know Thursday..

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volfanngaytorland said:
I would agree with this if they were allowed to enter the NFL at any point. Not being allowed to jump to the NFL to make money is criminal.
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But the NCAA doesn't make that restriction. It's the NFL who states 3 years minimum out of HS before they play in the league. You saw how far Maurice Clarrett got with challenging that.
 
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The arena football league will let you in at 18. The Canadian league will take you at 19. I rarely get to agree with 82, but if $$$ is that important then bypass education, NFL exposure, and opportunity to stay a kid for 3 more years by going to college.

Its not like they are forced to go to college.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Great point...I would like to see the NCAA require universities to protect theit investments and force universities to insure every player on their roster. This would have a great affect on players staying and would give some to the players for protection.
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They already do.

1982Alum said:
Very narrow mind to say the athlete can only survive his entire lifetime by what he makes with his body while young.

Train his mind with education and he can survive his whole lifetime with a skill that doesn't deteriorate nearly as fast as athletic ability. You will never get the NCAA to agree to pay athletes more than a very nominal amount.

Want to kill the NCAA? Fine. They are screwed up. Then the individual schools will control college athletics $$$ and the whole ball will crash quickly. The schools will never part with their $$$.
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People who want to blow up the NCAA generally don't understand what the student-athletes already receive. I also don't think they understand the possible outcomes of some of their arguments.
 
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1982Alum said:
So the world is all evil and these players are true saints that can do no wrong?

When they accept illegal gifts and inevitably get caught, they impact potentially millions of VOL fans when the team gets penalized or maybe even banned from bowls/scholarships/etc. They have more than themselves to think about but that is a stretch for today's youth. The ME Generation. All they think about is ME.
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Let's suppose all the football athletes got together and said "Ok, you want your scholarships worth?....you get 2 games max. No bowls. If you want us to play the other 10-11 games and bowls, then the players have to likewise get their fair share of the BIG TV and other licensing revenues (ala NCAA football video games)." It's called labor negotiations. It happens every where...in every country, state and city.

The REAL problem here is that the NCAA has been hiding behind this fallacious veneer of AMATEUR ATHLETICS/STUDENT ATHLETES....all the while treating it as the BIG BUSINESS it is, on their end. IT HAS BEEN A QUASI-PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE SINCE GAMES WERE FIRST BROADCAST ON TELEVISION .

It's time for this massive charade to end. It will in court. Wheels are already in motion. I find it odd that so many would side with the bureaucrats in the NCAA and speak so harshly of the kids who literally generate the big revenues. Why should they NOT get a reasonable slice of the pie they help cook, as it were? You say it's because they already get scholarships. Universities were offering scholarships BEFORE big money TV contracts ever came about. Scholarships are also offered to athletes of other sports that don't generate a dime. Scholarships to students based on merit, etc.

So, how then is just a scholarship amicable terms for an athlete that sees BILLIONS made off his and others' backs. They DO work hard...very hard...to do what...enrich the fat cat bureaucrats in the NCAA and Universities? Scholarships aren't even a drop in the bucket, comparatively speaking....and many of you know it.
 
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1982Alum said:
So the world is all evil and these players are true saints that can do no wrong?

When they accept illegal gifts and inevitably get caught, they impact potentially millions of VOL fans when the team gets penalized or maybe even banned from bowls/scholarships/etc. They have more than themselves to think about but that is a stretch for today's youth. The ME Generation. All they think about is ME.
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I agree with this about certain players, but not Mo Couch. He has a wife and little girl. Do you really think that going to Nashville, Birmingham, or MEMPHIS in late December supercedes taking care of your family?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Let's suppose all the football athletes got together and said "Ok, you want your scholarships worth?....you get 2 games max. No bowls. If you want us to play the other 10-11 games and bowls, then the players have to likewise get their fair share of the BIG TV and other licensing revenues (ala NCAA football video games)." It's called labor negotiations. It happens every where...in every country, state and city.

The REAL problem here is that the NCAA has been hiding behind this fallacious veneer of AMATEUR ATHLETICS/STUDENT ATHLETES....all the while treating it as the BIG BUSINESS it is, on their end. IT HAS BEEN A QUASI-PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE SINCE GAMES WERE FIRST BROADCAST ON TELEVISION .

It's time for this massive charade to end. It will in court. Wheels are already in motion. I find it odd that so many would side with the bureaucrats in the NCAA and speak so harshly of the kids who literally generate the big revenues. Why should they NOT get a reasonable slice of the pie they help cook, as it were? You say it's because they already get scholarships. Universities were offering scholarships BEFORE big money TV contracts ever came about. Scholarships are also offered to athletes of other sports that don't generate a dime. Scholarships to students based on merit, etc.

So, how then is just a scholarship amicable terms for an athlete that sees BILLIONS made off his and others' backs. They DO work hard...very hard...to do what...enrich the fat cat bureaucrats in the NCAA and Universities? Scholarships aren't even a drop in the bucket, comparatively speaking....and many of you know it.
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Let's suppose they do that, and the Universities say, "Nah. Our scholarships, stipends and other benefits are worth more than that. Go ahead and refuse to sign. We'll sign the ones that want to play for what we are offering."

There would still be NCAA football. Fans would still follow it and watch because of our tribal mentality that drives us to pick a team and root for it. And a lot of otherwise promising athletes would go on to uneducated jobs at McDonalds, striking for an upped minimum wage.

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The amount of money that Universities make is a red herring to the conversation. It doesn't matter. Corporations make profits every day. Terms of service are not generally based on a percentage, but on what a company is willing to pay, verses what someone is willing to trade their time and efforts for.

Again, it's capitalism. Go ask the USSR how well pure socialism worked.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I agree with this about certain players, but not Mo Couch. He has a wife and little girl. Do you really think that going to Nashville, Birmingham, or MEMPHIS in late December supercedes taking care of your family?
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Well maybe he should be out working somewhere rather than playing football at UT. He has tried football now and because of his low moral fiiber, he has potentially damaged his team mates and all UT fans should any further NCAA restrictions come down.

At this point UT should make him permanently ineligible and allow Mr. Couch to move on toward the NFL or to the workforce directly. He had a chance to better himself but instead chose to try and beat the system and now must pay the piper for his thoughtless, selfish acts. Maybe he should have thought twice before he had a child with him unable to provide for that child unless he sold himself out to agents. This situation is not the NCAA's fault.
 
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1982Alum said:
Well maybe he should be out working somewhere rather than playing football at UT. He has tried football now and because of his low moral fiiber, he has potentially damaged his team mates and all UT fans should any further NCAA restrictions come down.

At this point UT should make him permanently ineligible and allow Mr. Couch to move on toward the NFL or to the workforce directly. He had a chance to better himself but instead chose to try and beat the system and now must pay the piper for his thoughtless, selfish acts. Maybe he should have thought twice before he had a child with him unable to provide for that child unless he sold himself out to agents. This situation is not the NCAA's fault.
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Really sticking to your guns with this "low moral fiber" statement aren't you. I guess you always drive the speed limit too.
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
They already do.
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Not really. They take care of injuries from playing but do not insure them for losses on future earnings. A player that is eligible for the draft can buy insurance at really high rate but underclass men aren't allowed to. If Clowney blows out his knee this year USC won't make up the millions of his first round contract
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
So, how then is just a scholarship amicable terms for an athlete that sees BILLIONS made off his and others' backs. They DO work hard...very hard...to do what...enrich the fat cat bureaucrats in the NCAA and Universities? Scholarships aren't even a drop in the bucket, comparatively speaking....and many of you know it.
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So according to your logic it would be fair to make Palardy the highest paid player at UT currently as he is the ONLY one that is consistent this year. (Can't believe I just said that.)

You can say that we should pay every football player, but then you are going to be paying EVERY D1 player across ALL sports. Women's field hockey? PAID.

And how are you going to pay each player? Why in the hell would you pay your 3rd string QB as much as your star safety? So is it based on performance?

Your reasoning only works when you think in a close minded narrative.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
So according to your logic it would be fair to make Palardy the highest paid player at UT currently as he is the ONLY one that is consistent this year. (Can't believe I just said that.)

You can say that we should pay every football player, but then you are going to be paying EVERY D1 player across ALL sports. Women's field hockey? PAID.

And how are you going to pay each player? Why in the hell would you pay your 3rd string QB as much as your star safety? So is it based on performance?

Your reasoning only works when you think in a close minded narrative.
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How about we let the free market handle it? Let players get royalties for their name and likness when it comes to merchandise, video games, and such. Let them get money for autographs and sell memorabilia that they own. The market will decide it's value and the schools don't pay a dime. Their are tons of people making money off this stuff currently and none of it goes to the student. That's some serious bull.
 
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1982Alum said:
Well gee, the free college education is not nothing. Four year scholarship at a good institution is $150K-$200K. And it will give them the ability to make it on their own long after the playing days are over and the large NFL dollars are long gone.
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What if they want to eat on a weekend? What if they want to see a movie? Some of these kids come from families that can't give them money to eat. What do you want them to do?
You can't just keep telling them "wait til you're out of college and it'll all be alright" while they are making 0 money while living on their own for 4 years of their lives.
 
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1982Alum said:
Well maybe he should be out working somewhere rather than playing football at UT. He has tried football now and because of his low moral fiiber, he has potentially damaged his team mates and all UT fans should any further NCAA restrictions come down.
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This is BS. Potentially damaged all UT fans? What are you talking about? Couch owes you and I absolutely nothing.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Not really. They take care of injuries from playing but do not insure them for losses on future earnings. A player that is eligible for the draft can buy insurance at really high rate but underclass men aren't allowed to. If Clowney blows out his knee this year USC won't make up the millions of his first round contract
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The type of insurance wasn't specified in the comment I quoted. A player that is projected to be drafted can get the insurance you're talking about through the NCAA. That is why Clowney got $5 million in coverage. Manziel was also considering it, although I'm not sure he finalized it.
 
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1982Alum said:
Well maybe he should be out working somewhere rather than playing football at UT. He has tried football now and because of his low moral fiiber, he has potentially damaged his team mates and all UT fans should any further NCAA restrictions come down.

At this point UT should make him permanently ineligible and allow Mr. Couch to move on toward the NFL or to the workforce directly. He had a chance to better himself but instead chose to try and beat the system and now must pay the piper for his thoughtless, selfish acts. Maybe he should have thought twice before he had a child with him unable to provide for that child unless he sold himself out to agents. This situation is not the NCAA's fault.
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Makes moral argument over $400 bucks...has New York Yankees as a favorite team, classic.
 
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