Mo Couch expected to know Thursday..

[cbbowlingmd]

Next Thursday I suppose.

 

[vol66]

@MoTrilla44 any mo news? When ya gonna be back with team #117


@utvolsfansuzi na, still waiting bro

https://twitter.com/MoTrilla44

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Let's suppose they do that, and the Universities say, "Nah. Our scholarships, stipends and other benefits are worth more than that. Go ahead and refuse to sign. We'll sign the ones that want to play for what we are offering."

There would still be NCAA football. Fans would still follow it and watch because of our tribal mentality that drives us to pick a team and root for it. And a lot of otherwise promising athletes would go on to uneducated jobs at McDonalds, striking for an upped minimum wage.

And Edit:

The amount of money that Universities make is a red herring to the conversation. It doesn't matter. Corporations make profits every day. Terms of service are not generally based on a percentage, but on what a company is willing to pay, verses what someone is willing to trade their time and efforts for.

Again, it's capitalism. Go ask the USSR how well pure socialism worked.

Good luck with that. A scrub league was tried in the NFL before. How did that work out for you? Funny you should mention socialism, cause the racket the NCAA is running sure ain't capitalism. It's more like Plantation Slavery or indentured servitude.

No doubt you'll throw up another false analogy....so let's just nip it in the bud. NO...they cannot currently just go straight to the league. The NCAA and the NFL have collaborated at some level to ensure that the pipeline runs THROUGH the NCAA = Plantation. If you want to make it to the league, you have to do your time on the farm and give the NCAA it's free labor.

You can argue this til you're blue in the face, but the current structure of the NCAA is about to collapse...and your petty arguments will go right along with it.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

So according to your logic it would be fair to make Palardy the highest paid player at UT currently as he is the ONLY one that is consistent this year. (Can't believe I just said that.)

You can say that we should pay every football player, but then you are going to be paying EVERY D1 player across ALL sports. Women's field hockey? PAID.

And how are you going to pay each player? Why in the hell would you pay your 3rd string QB as much as your star safety? So is it based on performance?

Your reasoning only works when you think in a close minded narrative.

You have to first win the war, before you start making plans for reconstruction. Nevertheless, ESPN and CBS don't pay BIG $$$ for college tennis or track and field contracts. Just for Football and basketball. Real cut and dry. Not complicated at all.

If there is a market demand for female NCAA softball, then I'm sure they'd work up some contracts for that. But until they do...softball gets NO $$$ that it doesn't generate. Plain and simple as that. It's not cruel. It's ECONOMICS 101.

If you go out and start a business of any kind, part of the business plan (required by any lender) is market assessment and how you will fill a supposed need and turn a profit in the process. Why then should football and basketball keep feeding these other sports that cannot sustain themselves? They will have to subsist on student activity fees and other sources of revenue, rather than be financially parasitic in nature.

At the end of the day....NCAA FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL IS A PROFIT-GENERATING BUSINESS. Nothing amateur about the TV contracts, or the game and merchandising contracts they have!!!

Those most critically involved in generating those profits (athletes and coaches) should naturally be a key party in the PROFIT SHARING. Right now, there is no sharing. It's "If you don't like your oatmeal, go hungry, then!" I'm sorry but if I'm brought in on an unpaid Internship and I subsequently notice that the company is getting substantial financial gain from my work, while I get nothing....but "experience"...then that internship is over. I don't work for free and neither should the NCAA football and basketball athletes.

 

[1982Alum]

What if they want to eat on a weekend? What if they want to see a movie? Some of these kids come from families that can't give them money to eat. What do you want them to do?
You can't just keep telling them "wait til you're out of college and it'll all be alright" while they are making 0 money while living on their own for 4 years of their lives.

I worked while at UT so I could do that stuff. If I had a wife and I played football, she would be working to support me and the child we had.

You are speculating on why he sold out his team, the University, and VolNation for a few bucks. He should not be allowed back on the team. Good luck in the NFL Mo.

You should have No Mo chances in Knoxville to damage this team.

 

[vol66]

#FreeMo!

 

[governmentmule]

so no news about Mo ? it is the NCAA, is it the 3rd Thursday of October 2050? when it is suppose to happen ?

 

[1982Alum]

Makes moral argument over $400 bucks...has New York Yankees as a favorite team, classic.

You favor the Colts who jumped ship from the city and fans of Baltimore and you criticize my teams as unethical?!?! Good luck with that one. You ARE a Colt fan.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Good luck with that. A scrub league was tried in the NFL before. How did that work out for you? Funny you should mention socialism, cause the racket the NCAA is running sure ain't capitalism. It's more like Plantation Slavery or indentured servitude.

No doubt you'll throw up another false analogy....so let's just nip it in the bud. NO...they cannot currently just go straight to the league. The NCAA and the NFL have collaborated at some level to ensure that the pipeline runs THROUGH the NCAA = Plantation. If you want to make it to the league, you have to do your time on the farm and give the NCAA it's free labor.

You can argue this til you're blue in the face, but the current structure of the NCAA is about to collapse...and your petty arguments will go right along with it.

You accuse me of false analogies while comparing young athletes who earn free educations, living money, etc to slaves. I think I will just bow out now.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

You accuse me of false analogies while comparing young athletes who earn free educations, living money, etc to slaves. I think I will just bow out now.

Living money? Really? And yes...there are indeed many similarities between the two establishments. The Plantation owners enriching themselves off of free labor....oh, but those slaves got room and board. Right? That's the same argument you're making in regard to scholarships.

Private schools often lure the best athletes away from Public schools by offering free tuition. They aren't paying money for the athlete's school. They simply don't charge the athlete....who would never attend there, otherwise. There are no big TV contracts involved. No trying to sell an Athlete's jersey. Scholarships are no more a form of salary/profit-sharing than health coverage an employer provides, is. It's a perk...not a substitute for a salary.

If you want to pretend like you're in a fairy tale, where the NCAA only gets Monopoly money, then go ahead. This article is a classic example of the institutional profiteering/greed on the NCAA and Universities' part. It's all about the greenbacks for these folks.

Fans can buy Johnny Manziel-trodden turf from Texas A&M - NFL.com

If I were to design and sell some UT Football related T-Shirts at Houndougs or here at the VolNation store, UT come come down on me like a ton of bricks if I didn't get it licensed ($$$$$$) first. It's all about the MONEY with these folks. There aren't treating it as an Amateur endeavor. If there is a profit made with any of theirs, they demand their cut. And you're trying to defend them!

 

[UTProf]

You accuse me of false analogies while comparing young athletes who earn free educations, living money, etc to slaves. I think I will just bow out now.

He's also very, very wrong when it comes to NCAA football. The NCAA effectively has no control over football except as a rule enforcing body. Technically, speaking if the BCS wanted to invite Ohio St. last year to play for the title and OSU was willing to snub their noses and take more fallout, the NCAA could not have prevented it. Why? Unlike in basketball the NCAA has no stake in football's championship and other bowl games. It doesn't host the tournaments for football like it does for basketball. March Madness is where most of the NCAA's money comes from. It doesn't come from football, especially not the miniscule licensing cuts that schools and the NCAA get from jersey companies and the sale of jerseys (those are astonishingly low numbers and when you realize they only get a fractional cut of licensed sales it makes sense).

The basketball tournaments and other NCAA hosted tournaments are what makes them money because as the ones organizing and presenting the tournaments they get a cut of the television money and other monies earned.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Living money? Really? And yes...there are indeed many similarities between the two establishments. The Plantation owners enriching themselves off of free labor....oh, but those slaves got room and board. Right? That's the same argument you're making in regard to scholarships.

Private schools often lure the best athletes away from Public schools by offering free tuition. They aren't paying money for the athlete's school. They simply don't charge the athlete....who would never attend there, otherwise. There are no big TV contracts involved. No trying to sell an Athlete's jersey. Scholarships are no more a form of salary/profit-sharing than health coverage an employer provides, is. It's a perk...not a substitute for a salary.

If you want to pretend like you're in a fairy tale, where the NCAA only gets Monopoly money, then go ahead. This article is a classic example of the institutional profiteering/greed on the NCAA and Universities' part. It's all about the greenbacks for these folks.

Fans can buy Johnny Manziel-trodden turf from Texas A&M - NFL.com

If I were to design and sell some UT Football related T-Shirts at Houndougs or here at the VolNation store, UT come come down on me like a ton of bricks if I didn't get it licensed ($$$$$$) first. It's all about the MONEY with these folks. There aren't treating it as an Amateur endeavor. If there is a profit made with any of theirs, they demand their cut. And you're trying to defend them!

To compare NCAA football to the slave trade in any form or fashion is dispicable, and trivializes a very dark part of out nation's history. In any event, I refuse to debate a person that apparently gets their idealogical views from South Park. Good evening to you.

 

[onevol74]

You may have a solid argument if they had another option. It's not like they can go straight to the NFL. It's absolutely BS. If an athlete is good enough to go pro at the age of 12 they should be able to, let alone after high school. An athletes body is their bank account and it only has a limited time where it's good.

The players need to form their own farm league and spend 3 years developing instead of using the colleges. Then they can ride the buses to the games like minor league baseball players. Ask minor league players if these college kids have it made.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

To compare NCAA football to the slave trade in any form or fashion is dispicable, and trivializes a very dark part of out nation's history. In any event, I refuse to debate a person that apparently gets their idealogical views from South Park. Good evening to you.

Profiteering an manipulating their source of free labor makes it a VERY appropriate comparison. You just don't have an intellectual pot to pi$$ in. That's why you're....out.

NCAA Football/Basketball IS more profitable than any minor league could hope to be. Like Plantation owners didn't want anyone messing with their gravy train, the NCAA threatens kids like Mo Couch, that they had better stay on the plantation and not even dream of getting paid....until their period of indentured servitude is over.

You are pathetic, defending an institution that has stolen Billions upon Billions from these kids. They wouldn't exist without them. Yet all they get is room and board, essentially what the slaves got. The NCAA is about to go the way of the dinosaur and history will soon look back at this racket as yet another travesty, where we ask "How could we let this happen?"

"How could we let bureaucrats enrich themselves on the backs of kids who often come out of the poorest of households."

 

[VOLorNuttin]

The players need to form their own farm league and spend 3 years developing instead of using the colleges. Then they can ride the buses to the games like minor league baseball players. Ask minor league players if these college kids have it made.

The NFL is a good venue, and other leagues have come and gone....but even so, that doesn't mean the athletes should not also share in the profits. The NFL provides the platform/venue. The athletes provide the muscle/performance people pay to see.

I agree on one thing, though. The HS/College age kids need a union they can sign up with and speak for them as with one voice. If the NCAA wants to play hardarse, as you suggest, then they would have no athletes willing to play for them.

If the NFL has a union to represent the players, then college age athletes need it all the more. The NFLPA should look into the creation of a Collegiate union. That's about the only way to reach an equitable solution.

 

[Nashvol2]

To compare NCAA football to the slave trade in any form or fashion is dispicable, and trivializes a very dark part of out nation's history. In any event, I refuse to debate a person that apparently gets their idealogical views from South Park. Good evening to you.

Slavery was a practice that encompassed many more countries than ours. You have to be really ignorant to make that kind of analogy.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Slavery was a practice that encompassed many more countries than ours. You have to be really ignorant to make that kind of analogy.

An analogy only has to have some important parallels, to be effective. Doesn't have to share every single solitary aspect.

a·nal·o·gy (-nl-j)
n. pl. a·nal·o·gies
1.
a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
b. A comparison based on such similarity. See Synonyms at likeness....

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

 

[onevol74]

The NFL is a good venue, and other leagues have come and gone....but even so, that doesn't mean the athletes should not also share in the profits. The NFL provides the platform/venue. The athletes provide the muscle/performance people pay to see.

I agree on one thing, though. The HS/College age kids need a union they can sign up with and speak for them as with one voice. If the NCAA wants to play hardarse, as you suggest, then they would have no athletes willing to play for them.

If the NFL has a union to represent the players, then college age athletes need it all the more. The NFLPA should look into the creation of a Collegiate union. That's about the only way to reach an equitable solution.

Where did you get Union from my post? What I am saying is these kids have it too good compared to minor league players who get what they are monetarily worth. I do not support the Unionization of any sports. As a traditional student I had to make my own way through college and I certainly do not favor athletes as being exceptional.

If you think the colleges are using the players you also have to consider that the players are using the schools. Athletes are privileged compared to the rest of the students.

 

[YorkVol]

You favor the Colts who jumped ship from the city and fans of Baltimore and you criticize my teams as unethical?!?! Good luck with that one. You ARE a Colt fan.

That was a reach.

 

[volger]

Is this a Mo Couch thread or a pissing contest thread? Could a mod please clean this garbage up? TIA

 

[mgu7]

Moral of the story: take cash only, don't ever leave a paper trail

 

[Orange Daddy]

So what about Mo Thursday has passed what is the low down anybody KNOW??

 

[TennesseeOrange]

So what about Mo Thursday has passed what is the low down anybody KNOW??

No. If anyone knew anything it would be posted.

 

[LocoVol]

Funny ole Johnny Football didn't have to wait that long. Crock of bs.

 

[LWSVOL]

So what about Mo Thursday has passed what is the low down anybody KNOW??

there is no timeline.

I would be surprised if he is back at any point.

has not worked out with team since suspension and has not been able to use any of the facilities. Even if reinstated at some point, would be a month from being able to help