Mo Couch expected to know Thursday..

[JCHateSteve]

International Olympic Committee earns $5 billion in revenue - Breaking News - MarketWatch

International Olympic Committee registers 5 billion dollar revenues over past four years, based mostly on television broadcasts and corporate sponsorships...

I'll repeat myself... This is simple capitalism. You are arguing ideals, not facts. The argument to profits is a red herring, since profits are made off of people all the time. The NCAA establishes the circumstances that it is willing to play an athlete. That athlete has the right to either participate under the circumstances defined, or not. The fact that throngs of athletes are lining up, hoping to play for the NCAA, indicates that there must be something of worth in it for them.

You see... Despite your flawed parallel, it is nothing like slavery (despite how much you apparently resonated with the South Park episode.)

Olympians can do endorsment deals, sell autographs and make money in a variety of ways. Many of them are professional athletes as well. When you say it's a bad comparison you are correct. The Olympics do not forbid athletes from making money by selling their property, name, and likeness. The ncaa does. Big difference.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Olympians can do endorsment deals, sell autographs and make money in a variety of ways. Many of them are professional athletes as well. When you say it's a bad comparison you are correct. The Olympics do not forbid athletes from making money by selling their property, name, and likeness. The ncaa does. Big difference.

This was answering the question how athletes could be considered amateur if the parent organization made money. One has nothing to do with the other.

The Olympics does not have recruiting, thus no recruiting integrity to protect. The facts of the matter are that:

The Olympics dictate their rules of eligibility.
Participants have the choice of whether to participate.
The Olympics make money off of those that participate.


The NCAA dictate their rules of eligibility.
Participants have the choice of whether to participate.
The NCAA make money off of those that participate.


Corporations dictate the rules of those who participate.
Employees have a choice of whether to participate.
Corporations make money off of the work of those that participate.


(VolRNuttin's comparison) Slavery dictated their rules of eligibility.
Participants had no choice whether to participate.
Slave owners made money off of those that participate.

Thus:

An athlete can be amateur while playing for an organization that makes a profit.

It is neither illegal nor immoral to make money off of those who have entered contract with you.

The gulf between NCAA athletes and slaves is so wide as to make the comparison (at best) ridiculous, and an insult to those who endured the practice.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Olympians can do endorsment deals, sell autographs and make money in a variety of ways. Many of them are professional athletes as well. When you say it's a bad comparison you are correct. The Olympics do not forbid athletes from making money by selling their property, name, and likeness. The ncaa does. Big difference.

And:

Nothing, may be the IOC’s response, given how far it seems willing to go to protect its sponsors — you may not know it, but we’re in the middle of a moratorium on Olympic athletes appearing in any ads for non-IOC and national Olympic Committee partners that lasts until Aug. 15.

International Olympic Committee earns $5 billion in revenue - Breaking News - MarketWatch

While making their $$$, the Olympics are issuing control of their athletes' marketing. However, the athlete has decision about whether to participate.

:hi:

 

[JCHateSteve]

And:



While making their $$$, the Olympics are issuing control of their athletes' marketing. However, the athlete has decision about whether to participate.

:hi:

For the record I was not defending the slavery comparison. But Olympic athletes are not entirely amateurs. The Olympic committee does not get control of Kobe Bryant or Shaun White's endorsement deals with Nike or whoever.

Also college players that wish to play professionally have no choice but to go through the NCAA. They will never make it to the league otherwise. And don't say they can go to the arena league. Players that go from arena football to the NFL are extremely few and far between.

Given the class action lawsuits that the NCAA and EA Sports are facing I would defiantly say the legality of what they are doing is in question. Given the NCAA's position as an administrative organization over primary state run institutions I don't think the corporations comparison really works either.

They're are using position as the only game in town to deny fair market value to the students for their likeness and property and keeping it for themselves. While making rules that don't even allow students representation before they sign a "contract".

I'm not a lawyer so I will defer to the upcoming court decisions on legality but morally I have a hard time condoning what the NCAA is doing.

 

[Orange_Crush]

For the record I was not defending the slavery comparison. But Olympic athletes are not entirely amateurs. The Olympic committee does not get control of Kobe Bryant or Shaun White's endorsement deals with Nike or whoever.

Also college players that wish to play professionally have no choice but to go through the NCAA. They will never make it to the league otherwise. And don't say they can go to the arena league. Players that go from arena football to the NFL are extremely few and far between.

Given the class action lawsuits that the NCAA and EA Sports are facing I would defiantly say the legality of what they are doing is in question. Given the NCAA's position as an administrative organization over primary state run institutions I don't think the corporations comparison really works either.

They're are using position as the only game in town to deny fair market value to the students for their license and property and keeping it for themselves. While making rules that don't even allow students representation before they sign a "contract".

I'm not a lawyer so I will defer to the upcoming court decisions on legality but morally I have a hard time condoning what the NCAA is doing.

Personally, I can see both sides of the argument and don't fall totally on either. I can understand the desire to make $$$ off of their own name. I can understand the NCAA trying to keep them amateur because it opens up a can of worms per recruiting.

At the end of the day, the way I see it:

The athlete's name and likeness would be worth very little if not for the NCAA anyway. The athlete knows what they are signing up for when they sign with the NCAA. If the market will support another path to the NFL, then so be it. Someone will start one.

I think many on here belittle what a student athlete receives for their play. They receive an education, training for the NFL, lots of other benefits and stipends. The students receive recompense for their labors, so to a degree, the corporate comparison is appropriate. It's an agreement between two parties for services and recompense.

In any event. To VolRNuttin's comparison to slavery was idiotic.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Still believe that there should be some sort of emergency relief fund for all NCAA athletes

 

[sjt18]

I sure would not want 82alum to be my judge if I stole so much as a candy bar.

He needs to move to Saudi Arabia where they whack off hands for such egregious crimes as stealing food.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Personally, I can see both sides of the argument and don't fall totally on either. I can understand the desire to make $$$ off of their own name. I can understand the NCAA trying to keep them amateur because it opens up a can of worms per recruiting.

At the end of the day, the way I see it:

The athlete's name and likeness would be worth very little if not for the NCAA anyway. The athlete knows what they are signing up for when they sign with the NCAA. If the market will support another path to the NFL, then so be it. Someone will start one.

I think many on here belittle what a student athlete receives for their play. They receive an education, training for the NFL, lots of other benefits and stipends. The students receive recompense for their labors, so to a degree, the corporate comparison is appropriate. It's an agreement between two parties for services and recompense.

In any event. To VolRNuttin's comparison to slavery was idiotic.

We are total agreement on the slavery comparison. I like South Park as much as the next guy but come on.

It's a complicated issue to be sure. I don't what to devalue the free college education that the students receive either. In the current environment where best buy can decide to hire people with bachelors degrees it is more important than ever. To my mind the University is providing that benefit and not the NCAA.

Do you know if the NCAA itself provides funding to the University? I am under the impression they do not. I could be wrong on that though. :hi:

 

[Orange_Crush]

We are total agreement on the slavery comparison. I like South Park as much as the next guy but come on.

It's a complicated issue to be sure. I don't what to devalue the free college education that the students receive either. In the current environment where best buy can decide to hire people with bachelors degrees it is more important than ever. To my mind the University is providing that benefit and not the NCAA.

Do you know if the NCAA itself provides funding to the University? I am under the impression they do not. I could be wrong on that though. :hi:

To be honest, I'm not sure. It definitely complicated. The Universities don't seem to mind, in either event. They could always pull out if they aren't happy. And I guess that's my attitude all the way around.

If it was such a bad deal, athletes wouldn't be lining up to get involved. If it's such a bad deal, the market could bear an alternate.

 

[JCHateSteve]

To be honest, I'm not sure. It definitely complicated. The Universities don't seem to mind, in either event. They could always pull out if they aren't happy. And I guess that's my attitude all the way around.

If it was such a bad deal, athletes wouldn't be lining up to get involved. If it's such a bad deal, the market could bear an alternate.

That probably depends on who you ask. I bet Marcus Lattimore wishes he got some endorsement money whilein school.

I guess it's a question of whether you think it's feasible for someone to start an alternative if their is a market for it. I can't think of anyone that would have the means to compete.

 

[Remy]

There's something wrong with a system that allows a coach like Saban to make millions of dollars and go public with calling agents pimps ... when he and the NCAA system carts off hundreds of millions of dollars paying out the same to players that world famous pimp Fillmore Slim pay his girls ... ZERO!

 

[TechnoVol]

So back to the original post... did Mo Couch meet with the NCAA Thursday? Seems we would know something one way or the other by now if he did.

 

[BruinVol]

Still believe that there should be some sort of emergency relief fund for all NCAA athletes

There is one. I know it pays for travel expenses for emergencies amongst other things. Every school has one set up. Exactly what else it can be used on I am sketchy

 

[patrick]

So any word on Mo's status?

 

[volbeast33]

That probably depends on who you ask. I bet Marcus Lattimore wishes he got some endorsement money whilein school.

I guess it's a question of whether you think it's feasible for someone to start an alternative if their is a market for it. I can't think of anyone that would have the means to compete.

Marcus Lattimore signed a contract with the 49ers where he will make around 3 million dollars by the end of his contract.....more if he proves he can be a really good player again.

 

[Sudden Impact]

There is one. I know it pays for travel expenses for emergencies amongst other things. Every school has one set up. Exactly what else it can be used on I am sketchy

There needs to be some kind of relief fund for all athletes.

What the NCAA and universities fail to recognize is that because there is such a choke hold on money given to players that in times of viable need that there is notion that can be done without violations.

I am not talking about tacos, Foster could have gone to a homeless shelter and gotten feed a better meal.

Also, if a player were to receive a money and then went out and choose to make a $400 car payment then he is totally out of luck. Cap the amount and approve the expenditures through the use of a credit card with limits and point of expense.

A $100 or $200 more a month would be acceptable for all athletes distributed through an accountable process with a fund set aside for other major emergencies.

Example, might be clothes like coats. Can't give them anything they should not expect it but we know how kids are and they will use the money for other things versus essential. Flashy shinny objects

If someone thinks we can put $1000 or more in a players hand at one time without restrictions then we are asking for a disaster.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Marcus Lattimore signed a contract with the 49ers where he will make around 3 million dollars by the end of his contract.....more if he proves he can be a really good player again.

Didn't know that. Good for him.

 

[Give 'em Six]

So still no word on Mo Couch? I see he's not listed on the current roster.

 

[Nashvol2]

So still no word on Mo Couch? I see he's not listed on the current roster.

Nothing official but I'm assuming last Thursday was the first day Mo could potentially hear something back. That or it didn't go well. I would think we would have heard something if it was the latter.

 

[vol'96]

Crazy concept but NFL should pony up at least half to support their farm system. Right now they pay Zero!!!

Please don't kid yourself. College football is what the farm system is to baseball.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Any change in his status?

 

[LurkerExposed]

The final decision belongs to the NCAA, am I correct? They are notoriously slow in letting people know who want to know these things. Well, most people not having to do with Cam Newton, but you know what I mean....

 

[volfan5589]

--DT Mo Couch remains ineligible. Couch was implicated in September among six SEC players who allegedly received money illegally.
Tennessee - TeamReport | GlobalPost

from yesterday

 

[armchair]

Couch can't play but Johnnie Football, who quite obviously took money, can? That's bull$hit.

 

[VolGee4]

There's something wrong with a system that allows a coach like Saban to make millions of dollars and go public with calling agents pimps ... when he and the NCAA system carts off hundreds of millions of dollars paying out the same to players that world famous pimp Fillmore Slim pay his girls ... ZERO!

Do you not believe that Saban's players benefit from his expertise that allow them to get drafted and paid in the NFL? I can give you a long list of players that were thrilled to make ZERO in college under Nick Saban because they made a huge payday on draft day. It is akin to someone being an "apprentice" under an expert in a field, learning the craft, and then making a nice living. You can say it in any field- medical, legal, banking, etc. I am just curious why people don't think this way.