Montoya

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tonyvolsfan05 said:
Swears on his wife and kids is was not speeding.
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Maybe he didn't get his calculation correct when he was dialing in the pit road speed following the pace car. I'm not sure why he risk going over that 5 mph buffer with a 5 second lead though.
 
#3
#3
Great to see the win get ripped away from Juan. I know it had to hurt him more since it's the first time in his career that he's had a dominant car in stock cars.
 
#4
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Yeah, I'm sure he won't be able to sleep tonight knowing he still has the most impressive racing resume of anyone currently driving in NASCAR.
 
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tidwell said:
Yeah, I'm sure he won't be able to sleep tonight knowing he still has the most impressive racing resume of anyone currently driving in NASCAR.
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I wasn't aware that Tony Stewart has retired. I'm sure there's 15+ drivers out there that are so envious of Montoya. A man who has one win on a fuel mileage race and had led some 50+ laps in nearly 100 races. The man's got it done outside of Nascar, but it's funny to see some on here harp on him like he's one of the baddest guys in the sport.
 
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#6
Go ahead and name all of the other drivers in NASCAR who have won an Indy 500, a CART championship, multiple F1 races, and a NASCAR event. I'll wait.
 
#8
#8
Montoya has something Tony Stewart wants more than anything but couldn't achieve - an Indy 500 win.

There is no doubt that Montoya had the field smoked today (no pun intended). Shouldn't have pushed the limit in the pits but Indy has a way of smacking down those that appear to have it covered.
 
#9
#9
I would expect NASCAR to levy a little fine on Juan after the race he was interviewed and I swear it sounded like he said he didn't give a "schit" I know he was upset but that cost JR once upon a time alot of dimes and points for that kind of comment on national tv if I'm not mistaken :whistling:
 
#10
#10
didn't really cost Junior anything but cash as he failed to win the championship by a larger margin than his stupid penalty and punishment.
 
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tidwell said:
Go ahead and name all of the other drivers in NASCAR who have won an Indy 500, a CART championship, multiple F1 races, and a NASCAR event. I'll wait.
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There is only one person I know of who meets your criteria (if you count USAC champ as same as CART), plus he has a F1 champ. He has long since retired.
 
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tidwell said:
Go ahead and name all of the other drivers in NASCAR who have won an Indy 500, a CART championship, multiple F1 races, and a NASCAR event. I'll wait.
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I am a little biased being a Smoke fan but I would put his resume up against Montoya's. Stewart has been competitive in every division he has raced in. Other than yesterday and a fuel miliage win on a road course Montoya hasn't done much in NASCAR.
4 USAC championships (including the triple crown)
IRL championship
2 Cup championships
(and an IROC championship if you want to count that)
 
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jhen713 said:
I am a little biased being a Smoke fan but I would put his resume up against Montoya's. Stewart has been competitive in every division he has raced in. Other than yesterday and a fuel miliage win on a road course Montoya hasn't done much in NASCAR.
4 USAC championships (including the triple crown)
IRL championship
2 Cup championships
(and an IROC championship if you want to count that)
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If you want to limit it to the USA, then I agree, but when you go global and consider how difficult it is to win in F1 (many talented drivers have had trouble just driving them), you cannot just ignore the edge that gives anyone as far as a resume. I dare say that Mario Andretti puts his F1 champ. at least no. 2 on his, very likely no. 1. We are not talking talent here, just what has been accomplished.
 
#14
#14
I love seeing Stewart race, and no doubt he's talented, but he still hasn't won an enduro, just the same as JPM hasn't won anything on dirt.


No one will ever touch what Mario Andretti has accomplished, though. He's the greatest as far as being a master of all trades. In this day and age it won't happen.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
I love seeing Stewart race, and no doubt he's talented, but he still hasn't won an enduro, just the same as JPM hasn't won anything on dirt.


No one will ever touch what Mario Andretti has accomplished, though. He's the greatest as far as being a master of all trades. In this day and age it won't happen.
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My vote goes to A.J. Foyt.
 
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Andretti never won LeMans either. Foyt vs Andretti is a long debated topic with supporters on both sides steadfast in their choices. Foyt has 4 Indy wins, Mario has 1. Foyt won USAC champs in Midgets, Sprints and Champ cars, Mario competed and won in these divisions, his only Champ in Indy cars. AJ & Mario won in NASCAR, Foyt won more. Both won in Sports cars. Mario won F1 Champ., Foyt never tried cars.

Although Mario has the more well rounded resume', IMO AJ Foyt was the better overall driver.
 
#18
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Andretti has won at Le Mans, just not the overall classification like Foyt.

i never cared for either of them.
 
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doozer said:
Andretti has won at Le Mans, just not the overall classification like Foyt.

i never cared for either of them.
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I never pulled for either of them myself, but I cannot deny their talent. If we were ranking drivers by how I liked them, I would be considering Mears, Al Unser, Sr & Jr, Rahal, Gurney and Parnelli Jones.
 
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rbroyles said:
I never pulled for either of them myself, but I cannot deny their talent. If we were ranking drivers by how I liked them, I would be considering Mears, Al Unser, Sr & Jr, Rahal, Gurney and Parnelli Jones.
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I wonder what Parnelli's son, P.J. is doing? It's been a few years now since he was a road course ringer in NASCAR.
 
#21
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rbroyles said:
I never pulled for either of them myself, but I cannot deny their talent. If we were ranking drivers by how I liked them, I would be considering Mears, Al Unser, Sr & Jr, Rahal, Gurney and Parnelli Jones.
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i'm not taking away anything from either of them.

it's hard to compare today's driver to the drivers of yesteryear, simply because drivers are much more specialized. with the exception of the 24 Hours of Daytona and a handful of other races, it's rare to see a driver race outside of his normal series.

strictly from my biased opinion, i feel as if Rick Mears could have been the greatest open wheel driver ever had his feet not gone through a cheese shredder in Ontario many years ago. that accident basically took away his ability to race road courses and perhaps his early and sudden retirement.
 
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doozer said:
i'm not taking away anything from either of them.

it's hard to compare today's driver to the drivers of yesteryear, simply because drivers are much more specialized. with the exception of the 24 Hours of Daytona and a handful of other races, it's rare to see a driver race outside of his normal series.

strictly from my biased opinion, i feel as if Rick Mears could have been the greatest open wheel driver ever had his feet not gone through a cheese shredder in Ontario many years ago. that accident basically took away his ability to race road courses and perhaps his early and sudden retirement.
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Of all the dozens of "name" race car drivers I have met, Rick is one of if not the most gracious one. At the time he drove Indy Cars, there were few if any road courses on the schedule, but he certainly ruled the ovals, particularly the flat ones.
 
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#24
No matter what the resume, could any competitive minded driver just blow off losing a big race like that?. It had to bother JPM. I don't see him reflecting on past accomplishments to give him solace after the race.
 
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