More on the Academic Scandal at UNC

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UNC academic investigation news from Raleigh, NC | NewsObserver.com

Former Gov. Jim Martin conducted an investigation into the academic fraud for the university, and found 206 confirmed or suspected classes that date back to the mid-1990s. His investigation identified a “confirmed class” as one in which the listed instructor denied teaching the class, or Nyang’oro confirmed it hadn’t been taught.
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39 classes have been confirmed as "no show" and the other 160 or so are suspected
 
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Should get the death penalty, but the NCAA double standard will keep this from blowing up.
 
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So were they setting up these no-show/fake classes for all athletes or was this the football/basketball end? If this is true and they had that many fake classes then yeah it should be a death penalty or near-death penalty like PSU is going through right now.
 
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The very definition of "lack of institutional control" and they'll walk with a mere slap on the wrist because the NCAA is a joke. And this doesn't even touch the Butch Davis pay-for-play schemes going on concurrently. This is the same kind of set up that got SMU the death penalty, come play football and get paid, forget going to classes, football is your school.

And while this was going on, UT was cut off from it's recruiting lifeline in NC. But the hypocrits at the NCAA came after UT because of silly secondary stuff (same things that Saban and others do routinely wihthout a care in the world). Tells you all you need to know about the most corrupt industry in the USA.

...steps of soapbox
 
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Lets get all the information before we start talking about the death penalty....was anything REALLY heinous going on like a bbq at the professors house?
 
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UTProf said:
So were they setting up these no-show/fake classes for all athletes or was this the football/basketball end? If this is true and they had that many fake classes then yeah it should be a death penalty or near-death penalty like PSU is going through right now.
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they say the classes were open to all students-therefore nothing NCAA will do about it. Done deal.
 
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utchuckster said:
they say the classes were open to all students-therefore nothing NCAA will do about it. Done deal.
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Exactly, but the problem they are still concerned with is accreditation which is far worse of a concern than anything the NCAA can do. But everyone has known about these classes for a while now.

I also think this professor is going to get everything dropped. He is hiding the bodies per se. He was able to retire and get a nice severance package and not get fired. The state is who is going after him now.
 
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TideWarrior said:
Exactly, but the problem they are still concerned with is accreditation which is far worse of a concern than anything the NCAA can do. But everyone has known about these classes for a while now.

I also think this professor is going to get everything dropped. He is hiding the bodies per se. He was able to retire and get a nice severance package and not get fired. The state is who is going after him now.
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That's what I was about to say... they can claim all could go to fake classes but then they'd lose accreditation. Game Over. They're too good academic-reputation-wise to ever risk that.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
This is true, one of my buddies took one of these classes. He didn't do a "daggum" thing.
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It falls under academic fraud whether it's open to everyone or just athletes. The NCAA won't/can't do a thing about regular students as they have no power there but they certainly CAN and will do something when athletes participate in these classes. There's a difference between an easy course and a fraudulent one. These were frauds although they're trying very hard to say some of them were unconfirmed.

UT got into minor trouble decades ago because ONE English lecturer felt sorry for athletes and felt they were exploited. It wasn't by design and wasn't on purpose -- she just felt they were exploited by athletics and took it upon herself to correct that.

This isn't even in the same league as it's infinitely worse. I don't see how UNC escapes without punishment. There are far too many for this to be a one-off.

Also... the enrollment issue is important. If I teach a summer school section it has to have X enrollment or UT will cancel the section because often summer sections are extra $$$ if you decide to teach one. There's a lot of issues here both for the school and in terms of athletics.
 
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FalcoVol said:
Former UNC player ties counselors to no-show classes | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com
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From the report that I find most compelling:

According to her court statement, that research found that of 182 athletes screened between 2005 and 2012, about 60 percent had reading scores at fourth- to eighth-grade levels, while about 10 percent were “functionally illiterate.” She wrote that 39 percent were found to be learning disabled; some of those and others had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Eighty-five percent of the 182 athletes were in football and men’s basketball.


 
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I feel bad for the legit grads and student athletes. I feel UNC is a great school with great people, however the mindset, the arrogance, the "Carolina Way", all that Charles Kuralt "well and the bell" bull**** has got to stop now.
 
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Personally, I think the NCAA should negate the last two UNC national titles. I think the death penalty is also warranted. Send 'em straight to hell, as far as I'm concerned. Make an example!

(He says with a wink wink.) Jenny Wright, Da'rick Rogers, etc., etc. (wink wink.) Trust me (wink wink).
 
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I mean, honestly, think about it: I love the Vols and I love UNC (born and raised in NC), but what is the difference between Jenny Wright and the Af-Am studies professor? Maybe I just don't get it, but I don't see any difference. Both were rogues.

And for the UK fans on the board, I shutter to think about what's going on in Lexington. Gives me the creeps. But, like Bama and Auburn, you all are professionals. UT and UNC stand to learn from you all.
 
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volprof said:
And for the UK fans on the board, I shutter to think about what's going on in Lexington. Gives me the creeps. But, like Bama and Auburn, you all are professionals. UT and UNC stand to learn from you all.
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Shutter or shudder, volprof?
 
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utchuckster said:
they say the classes were open to all students-therefore nothing NCAA will do about it. Done deal.
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Kinda brilliant if you ask me. Stick a non-athlete or two in with the jocks NCAA looks the other way. Had this been TN they would make us drop intermurals too. Scorch the Earth.
 
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Brian McCat said:
From the report that I find most compelling:

According to her court statement, that research found that of 182 athletes screened between 2005 and 2012, about 60 percent had reading scores at fourth- to eighth-grade levels, while about 10 percent were “functionally illiterate.” She wrote that 39 percent were found to be learning disabled; some of those and others had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Eighty-five percent of the 182 athletes were in football and men’s basketball.


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Absolutely unbelievable. 4th-8th grade reading level!? How do they make it into college? If you have a reading comprehension that low, there's no way in hell you're going to make above a 15 on your ACT score. And that may be too high.
 
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I-bleed-orange said:
Absolutely unbelievable. 4th-8th grade reading level!? How do they make it into college? If you have a reading comprehension that low, there's no way in hell you're going to make above a 15 on your ACT score. And that may be too high.
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Don't ask too many questions. You'll find something you don't like. Trust me.
 
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I don't doubt that. Just goes to show that colleges are all about the ATHLETE-students, instead of student-athletes. Of course, that is nothing new.
 
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