My impressions from Italy

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Ok, let me start by saying this...yes i know that the quality of opponent was not the greatest, however; it was a game setting, with referrees and the opportunity to play against someone besides each other. One of the teams beat both Purdue and Georgja, so that should say something about that team. Its also not easy to adapt to the different rules, court dimensions, ball, officiating etc etc, so this is as much about dealing with adversity as it is the games(such as a bus breaking down on the way to a game haha). With that said here are a few things that i have taken from the Italy trip...

-Jarnell Stokes. Much like in Brazil with the USA team, jarnell scored whenever he wanted to, the only thing stopping him from going for 30 a night was himself and CCM. The simplest way to put it is that Jarnell is just too big and strong for most 18-20 year old kids to handle, and that was before he learned multiple post moves, and counter moves. If Jarnell has learned more moves besides his across the lane hook, and how to counter the defense stopping it, he will be a force.

- D'montre Edwards. He proved to be exactly what CCM wants him to be, and what i thought he would be. A physically ready 3, who plays very committed defense, and rebounds like a post on both sides of the court. He led the team in rebounding multiple times on the trip, and averaged around 9 rebounds a game in about 20 minutes per game, thats impressive. He also showed the ability to hit the 3 ball and jump shot, if he can shoot close to the same % he did in JUCO, thatd be great. I expect big things from Edwards.

- Armani Moore. The message seemed clear, Armani is going to get every opportunity to be the backup PG for the team this year. From the reviews ive read, and heard, he showed really good command, and a potential to be a big upgrade over the backup PG play we saw last year. He hit some outside shots, had some nice dunks, and probably most importantly played solid defense. The question will be, with his size will he be quick enough to stay in front of smaller defenders, however; that same question applies to Golden.

- Q. Yea i could type out his whole name, but theres just something about Q that i like. Q is a lot like Edwards, a physically ready guy, who plays CCM type of basketball. He is committed to playing defense on both ends, and attacks the boards as well as anyone. He showed the abililty to hit the perimiter shot which was one of the questions about him. May be hard for him to see big minutes, but i think hell fight his way in and see the court a little bit atleast.

- Jordan Mcrae. Its hard to get excited about Jordan, we've all been teased multiple times by Jordan, just to be let down. However, he had as good of an Italy trip as just about anybody on the team. He was probably the biggest stat sheet stuffer we had, scoring points, getting multiple assists, rebounds and steals each game. He showed the ability to hit pull up jumpers and the 3 ball while on the trip also, so hopefully that follows back to the US. Its hard to look too much into Jordan's progression though, because we couldnt see the games. We dont know what his shot selection was, and we dont know how many shots he was taking either, but i didnt hear that criticism from anyone so hopefully its improved.

-Trae Golden. Trae appeared to play really well at the point. He didnt tear it up scoring, dont know if thats solely the competition playing down, or if its a sign of his progression in looking to pass more. He averaged a good amount of assists, somewhere around 4, while only playing about 20 mins a game, probably a few less. In the first 2 games he didnt commit any turnovers either, didnt see a number for the last 2 games though, so cant say how much hes cut down the number of to's. In a few of the videos it appeared he pushed the ball of long misses or blocked shots, not sure if this follows back to the US, but he looked good in doing so, and i always thought he looked great last year in transition.

Yemi- Rebounded the ball extrememly well all trip, and even put up some night point totals in a couple of the games. Not sure if they were just put backs, or actual moves, but either way, nice to see that Yemi is putting the ball in the basket some. Yemi appears to be progressing nicely, and he had a good Italy trip. In all honesty im kind of excited to see how he does next year when he should see pretty big minutes.

Jeronne, Derek, Dwight, Skylar, Josh and Kenny i didnt take too much from either way. obviously the first 3 didnt play much, or not at all. skylar had a good last game, didnt do much the first 3. josh isnt a stat guy so its hard to get a good read on him without watchign the game. kenny got benched so thats probably all that needs to be said about him.


So...after Italy if i had to make a depth chart/rotation, this is what I'd roll with...

PG: Trae 30/ Armani 10
SG: Skylar 15/ Jordan 15/ Josh 10
SF: Jordan 10/ D'montre 25/ Q 5
F: Jarnell 30/ Jeronne 10
F: Jeronne 20/ Kenny 20
 
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This is random, but this guy came in to DV's last week while I was working, and he said he's a referee for HS and some college here in East TN. He looked familiar, may have even officiated here. But he said he met with the team for a couple days before they left to get them acquainted with Euro rules. Kinda neat.

Then I found $10.
 
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This is random, but this guy came in to DV's last week while I was working, and he said he's a referee for HS and some college here in East TN. He looked familiar, may have even officiated here. But he said he met with the team for a couple days before they left to get them acquainted with Euro rules. Kinda neat.

Then I found $10.

I'm glad I stuck around for the end of the story. Sometimes you bail too soon and miss a moment of true illumination.
 
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Okay BTO, nice write up and I would live to comment on it, but I wouldn't know where to start. Please tell me you didn't type all that on your phone.
 
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Once again I'm amazed at your analysis and that you find time in your day to write up these things. Thanks for your contributions.
 
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PG: Trae 30/ Armani 10
SG: Skylar 15/ Jordan 15/ Josh 10
SF: Jordan 10/ D'montre 25/ Q 5
F: Jarnell 30/ Jeronne 10
F: Jeronne 20/ Kenny 20[/QUOTE]

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So one of the guys at the 2 / 3 isn't gonna see the floor very much if you consider that Cuonzo doesn't want to play 10 guys. Like you, I'd have to say it's Q that may not get much time, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if any of the five guys in that spot end up with the short end of the stick when conference play rolls around. They're all such different players that I can't say at this point which would mesh the best with the other pieces of the lineup. I also wouldn't be surprised if Armani pulls a Washpun and we see some combo of Skylar and Richardson playing backup point. He definitely seems like he has more upside than Washpun, and I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.
 
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So one of the guys at the 2 / 3 isn't gonna see the floor very much if you consider that Cuonzo doesn't want to play 10 guys. Like you, I'd have to say it's Q that may not get much time, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if any of the five guys in that spot end up with the short end of the stick when conference play rolls around. They're all such different players that I can't say at this point which would mesh the best with the other pieces of the lineup. I also wouldn't be surprised if Armani pulls a Washpun and we see some combo of Skylar and Richardson playing backup point. He definitely seems like he has more upside than Washpun, and I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.

I think Skylar at PG is a last ditch solution. He struggles too much against overly physical defenses.
 
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One thing, you saidyou expect YEmi to pull big minutes this season, but then left him off your rotation in favor of Hall? I understand and expect Hall to play, but I think CCM will rotate Kenny and Yemi depending on matchups
 
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One thing, you saidyou expect YEmi to pull big minutes this season, but then left him off your rotation in favor of Hall? I understand and expect Hall to play, but I think CCM will rotate Kenny and Yemi depending on matchups

While I don't disagree that Martin may rotate them based on matchups, I think the biggest factor in who gets the backup minutes behind Stokes and Maymon is Kenny's attitude. If he can get his head right, I think he is the preferred guy. If not, then there is going to be a lot of Maynon and Stokes playing 32-34 minutes a game and CCM piecing things together with Yemi abd Miller and maybe a 4 guard lineup again.
 
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Yemi doesn't get moved off the block as easy as Hall. The "bangers" should get 5 hard fouls from Yemi is 10 minutes/game. lol
 
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Read the OP again. I found 3 things among a very thorough breakdown to talk about.

1) Skylar had his typical numbers in just about every game. Somewhere in the 8-11 area (except the last game). I think his numbers this trip were pretty much as expected.

2) in some of the little clips that Quinn posted the defense was picking up full court and actually pressuring the inbounds after made baskets. I don't remember this last year and yet CCM didn't comment on it nor did Quinn ask him about it. I wonder if CCM has a more uptempo, 4 guard press tucked up his sleeve this year.

3) baring injury, if Moore works out, I think Q is still the odd man out this season. If Moore can handle the backup PG, CCM gets more out of him by letting him go 15 minutes instead of 10 for him and 5 for Q. I'm not saying Q isn't talented enough, I'm just saying if Moore is going to be the guy behind Trae, he needs the minutes more than Q. This would also allow for Moore and Golden to be on the floor together for brief stretches. Even if Q sits all this year and sits all next year behind Hubbs (hopefully), McRae and Edwards he would still have 2 full years left to show his stuff.
 
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Yemi doesn't get moved off the block as easy as Hall. The "bangers" should get 5 hard fouls from Yemi is 10 minutes/game. lol

Yemi is definately not afraid to mix it up. If Hall had Yemi's mentality UT would be set in the front court.
 
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With regards to the original post, I believe you are talking about BC Atletas beating Purdue and Georgia, not VCU. VCU beat Atletas 85-47 and went 4-0 in Italy.

Atletas beat Georgia 94-90 and Purdue 82-79.
 
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One thing, you saidyou expect YEmi to pull big minutes this season, but then left him off your rotation in favor of Hall? I understand and expect Hall to play, but I think CCM will rotate Kenny and Yemi depending on matchups

I thought I said next year, if I said this season my bad, not what I meant. Thought I said next year though.
 
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Read the OP again. I found 3 things among a very thorough breakdown to talk about.

1) Skylar had his typical numbers in just about every game. Somewhere in the 8-11 area (except the last game). I think his numbers this trip were pretty much as expected.

2) in some of the little clips that Quinn posted the defense was picking up full court and actually pressuring the inbounds after made baskets. I don't remember this last year and yet CCM didn't comment on it nor did Quinn ask him about it. I wonder if CCM has a more uptempo, 4 guard press tucked up his sleeve this year.

3) baring injury, if Moore works out, I think Q is still the odd man out this season. If Moore can handle the backup PG, CCM gets more out of him by letting him go 15 minutes instead of 10 for him and 5 for Q. I'm not saying Q isn't talented enough, I'm just saying if Moore is going to be the guy behind Trae, he needs the minutes more than Q. This would also allow for Moore and Golden to be on the floor together for brief stretches. Even if Q sits all this year and sits all next year behind Hubbs (hopefully), McRae and Edwards he would still have 2 full years left to show his stuff.

Yea skylar seemed to be skylar, nothing more, nothing less. Hard to tell defense, but you'd have to assume it was similar to last year. I also found the full court man to man an interesting little tid bit, be something to watch. Personally, I don't think out guards are quick enough to avoid gettin burn, but that's jmo.

Agree with you on Q, it looks like hell be the odd man out. Only other person I see it being possible is Richardson. And that'd be if Q just really impresses, Moore shows he's the man at backup Pg, and if Moore is conditioned enough to play some 2 as well. I think much like last year early on well see 10 an 11 guys, but by conference it'll be down to the 8/9 rotation.
 

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