My salute to unions

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Company got rid of 15 people today. 3 of these inlcuded my best employees. The reasoning for letting them go, seniority. Makes perfect sense to me. :sick:
 

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allvol123 said:
Company got rid of 15 people today. 3 of these inlcuded my best employees. The reasoning for letting them go, seniority. Makes perfect sense to me. :sick:
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They kept the most senior workers that weren't the best?

That happened to my wife that was in a union here. She was let go because she hadn't been in the Union but for 2 years or so. They kept a woman who had been there for 40+ years and offered to retire so the younger workers would still have a job, but they wouldn't let her.
 
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our highway department in town is part of a laboor racket. All the guys on the crew offered to forego raises this year as times are tough for everyone, but the union said no way in hell.
 
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HawaiiVol said:
They kept the most senior workers that weren't the best?

That happened to my wife that was in a union here. She was let go because she hadn't been in the Union but for 2 years or so. They kept a woman who had been there for 40+ years and offered to retire so the younger workers would still have a job, but they wouldn't let her.
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They just plucked the bottom 15 in terms of length of service. How does this make a company stronger?
 
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allvol123 said:
Company got rid of 15 people today. 3 of these inlcuded my best employees. The reasoning for letting them go, seniority. Makes perfect sense to me. :sick:
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You have just defined what is wrong with public education.
 
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allvol123 said:
They just plucked the bottom 15 in terms of length of service. How does this make a company stronger?
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They probably were not skilled workers,in so much as being trained and schooled.90% of contracts today have language that stipulates.Skill and ability above seniority.

volinbham said:
It stagnates a company.
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Unions today recognize working with the company to improve processes either by contractual responsibility or through programs such as OFI (opportunity for improvement).To be a necessity for the benefit of their members.

It amazes me that all the non-union sentiment that prevail in these type threads.Are from either people with little or no knowledge of modern unions or from those whom have a knowledge base that is derived from a special interest of their sense of the decades of the misinformation sped upon the populus..
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
They probably were not skilled workers,in so much as being trained and schooled.90% of contracts today have language that stipulates.Skill and ability above seniority.



Unions today recognize working with the company to improve processes either by contractual responsibility or through programs such as OFI (opportunity for improvement).To be a necessity for the benefit of their members.

It amazes me that all the non-union sentiment that prevail in these type threads.Are from either people with little or no knowledge of modern unions or from those whom have a knowledge base that is derived from a special interest of their sense of the decades of the misinformation sped upon the populus..
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Very funny.

What is the function of the unions?
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orangeblooded2 said:
They probably were not skilled workers,in so much as being trained and schooled.90% of contracts today have language that stipulates.Skill and ability above seniority.



Unions today recognize working with the company to improve processes either by contractual responsibility or through programs such as OFI (opportunity for improvement).To be a necessity for the benefit of their members.

It amazes me that all the non-union sentiment that prevail in these type threads.Are from either people with little or no knowledge of modern unions or from those whom have a knowledge base that is derived from a special interest of their sense of the decades of the misinformation sped upon the populus..
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complete and utter bs. i've been a manger at multiple unionized companies and it's always seniority that reigns. i had a guy tell me to f- myself (and i coudln't fire him) and we had a round of layoffs and i had to keep him and lay off a good employee. I had an employee who was the only personal qualified for a job (and probably the only person qualified in the entire city) and i had to lay her off because she had only been there a year despite the fact that we hired her specifically because she was the only one who could do it. amazing.

the obvious question is why do we need unions at all anymore? workers aren't being "exploited" anymore. people now have free will to chose where they work and for what wages. the union idea is outdated.
 
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prime example-airline industry, unions are a bunch of crooks and the reason why jobs are getting outsourced. they are what i like to call @$$ostriches, as in instead of their heads being in a hole in the ground, its up their @$$
 
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Sadly enough there isn't much company-employee (both ways) loyalty these days. Some companies are loyal to their employees, but many are not.

The problem I have is that unions (at least in my experience) try to set the value of labor way too high and end up destroying the industry they're supposed to protect. It should be up to a company to look out for the welfare of it's employees... but I can kind of feel sorry for a company if it only sees it's employees as an asset when many employees only see their employer as a means to an end and jump ship after a year of employment leaving the company high-and-dry.

Bottom line, the best companies will attract the best workers... just read about Ford's model when he was just starting. He paid very well, and got the best. It should be the company that decides wages. Then... the employee can just simply work for the best paying/benefits company in his/her mind. If there are no good companies? Pursue another line of work and let the free market take care of the rest.


I'm done ranting.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
prime example-airline industry, unions are a bunch of crooks and the reason why jobs are getting outsourced. they are what i like to call @$$ostriches, as in instead of their heads being in a hole in the ground, its up their @$$
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I know someone who is a pilot for Delta and he had to join a union when he hired on. He hates it. He had to take a paycut with this latest round of collective bargaining while the grey beards that have been there longer got a sweet deal all the way through retirement. He is a retired Air Force Lt. Col with 20+ years flying experience, some of it actual combat, and this is the crap he has to put up with.
 
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rjd970 said:
I know someone who is a pilot for Delta and he had to joing a union when he hired on. He hates it. He had to take a paycut with this latest round of collective bargaining while the grey beards that have been there longer got a sweet deal all the way through retirement. He is a retired Air Force Lt. Col with 20+ years flying experience, some of it actual combat, and this is the crap he has to put up with.
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yup pretty much. teachers in GA arent allowed to unionize, im kinda glad about it, because they can get rid of the teachers that are of the old school ways and it not be a problem
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
They probably were not skilled workers,in so much as being trained and schooled.90% of contracts today have language that stipulates.Skill and ability above seniority.



Unions today recognize working with the company to improve processes either by contractual responsibility or through programs such as OFI (opportunity for improvement).To be a necessity for the benefit of their members.

It amazes me that all the non-union sentiment that prevail in these type threads.Are from either people with little or no knowledge of modern unions or from those whom have a knowledge base that is derived from a special interest of their sense of the decades of the misinformation sped upon the populus..
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Ask the big three how all that worked out for them.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
They probably were not skilled workers,in so much as being trained and schooled.90% of contracts today have language that stipulates.Skill and ability above seniority.



Unions today recognize working with the company to improve processes either by contractual responsibility or through programs such as OFI (opportunity for improvement).To be a necessity for the benefit of their members.

It amazes me that all the non-union sentiment that prevail in these type threads.Are from either people with little or no knowledge of modern unions or from those whom have a knowledge base that is derived from a special interest of their sense of the decades of the misinformation sped upon the populus..
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or...just maybe...people with just a little bit of common, freaking sense
 
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droski said:
complete and utter bs. i've been a manger at multiple unionized companies and it's always seniority that reigns. i had a guy tell me to f- myself (and i coudln't fire him) and we had a round of layoffs and i had to keep him and lay off a good employee. I had an employee who was the only personal qualified for a job (and probably the only person qualified in the entire city) and i had to lay her off because she had only been there a year despite the fact that we hired her specifically because she was the only one who could do it. amazing.

the obvious question is why do we need unions at all anymore? workers aren't being "exploited" anymore. people now have free will to chose where they work and for what wages. the union idea is outdated.
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Did LG work for you? :)
 
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615 Vol said:
Did LG work for you? :)
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I think we all know that LG would have said it with a little more panache... followed by an "I'm outta here"... but he goes out to his car, cries as he puts on lipstick, and then returns to work.
 
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DC Vol said:
I think we all know that LG would have said it with a little more panache... followed by an "I'm outta here"... but he goes out to his car, cries as he puts on lipstick, and then returns to work.
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Like the guy from Billy Madison, with the list?

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orangeblooded2 said:
They probably were not skilled workers,in so much as being trained and schooled.90% of contracts today have language that stipulates.Skill and ability above seniority.



Unions today recognize working with the company to improve processes either by contractual responsibility or through programs such as OFI (opportunity for improvement).To be a necessity for the benefit of their members.

It amazes me that all the non-union sentiment that prevail in these type threads.Are from either people with little or no knowledge of modern unions or from those whom have a knowledge base that is derived from a special interest of their sense of the decades of the misinformation sped upon the populus..
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what's truly amazing are union shills who view their union with an almost religious reverence.
 
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MG1968 said:
what's truly amazing are union shills who view their union with an almost religious reverence.
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+1. Like the CWA, they hate 'scab contractors' like me, though we can hang and splice as much fiber in 2 10 hour days as they do in house for AT&T in a week.
 
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