My thoughts on 2013 basketball recruiting

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CAVol

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Hey guys,

I've been lurking for a majority of the summer, only posting every now and then. I've been keeping up with our recruiting and thought it was about time for me to post my thoughts.

At this point, we stand to lose Miller, McBee, Maymon, and Hall to graduation. I used to be on the fence about whether to keep Landry as part of this class. I hadn't heard a lot about him and have been less than impressed with his stat line in the games that I have been able to find online.

With the recent developments with Shannon Hale, I've come to the conclusion that my dream class consists of:

1) Robert Hubbs
2) Austin Nichols
3) Shannon Hale
4) JW3

Yes, I do hope that we part with Landry. Here is why. With the four seniors that are leavings, two (Maymon and Hall) I would call significant contributors in the post. This means we NEED to sign 2 post players in this class. I am always a proponent of restocking what you will lose for sure through graduation, and cutting ties with Landry allows us to possibly pick up two solid prospects. Hubbs will take McBee's spot at the 2.

The fourth spot can go to either JW3, King (although I don't think we land him), or another point guard or wing that we have been expressing interest in (I'm looking at you Markel Crawford).

Obviously, this begs the question of what do we do at point guard after this year? I am a believer in Trae Golden. He made significant strides last season, and I truly believe he can be a 1st team SEC point guard this season. I am confident in him running the team for 32+ minutes a game. We just need someone to come in and not piss the game away in the 8 minutes that he isn't out there.

If Martin can land elite prospects this year, it won't be hard to convince an elite point guard to hop on-board in 2014. I'm excited about this season and even more excited about the future of the program. GBO!
 
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Our dream classes are identical sir, great minds think alike!

Hubbs
Hale
Nichols

My fourth is Jw3 or King(realistically probably Jw3). If we don't land either of them or if we can make room for a 5th(part with Reese or Q) I'm once again with you that I'd like to add Crawford to this class. He's going to be a very good player IMO, and probably could play a little bit of backup PG.

As I said in another thread, my reasoning for doing it this way is also this...you're primed for a MAJOR run in 2013. If stokes is to return and you can pull those 4 guys you're looking at a legitimate national championship contender in my opinion. If that's the case, you absolutely cut ties with Landry for the chance to bring the program to that level.

As you said, if we have that type of success, CCM will have no trouble landing one of those elte PG and then the PG situation will be fine.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Our dream classes are identical sir, great minds think alike!

Hubbs
Hale
Nichols

My fourth is Jw3 or King(realistically probably Jw3). If we don't land either of them or if we can make room for a 5th(part with Reese or Q) I'm once again with you that I'd like to add Crawford to this class. He's going to be a very good player IMO, and probably could play a little bit of backup PG.

As I said in another thread, my reasoning for doing it this way is also this...you're primed for a MAJOR run in 2013. If stokes is to return and you can pull those 4 guys you're looking at a legitimate national championship contender in my opinion. If that's the case, you absolutely cut ties with Landry for the chance to bring the program to that level.

As you said, if we have that type of success, CCM will have no trouble landing one of those elte PG and then the PG situation will be fine.
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We'll know a lot more coming the early signing period. If Landry doesn't sign his LOI in November then things might go this way. CCM might be able to get him to wait but it's much more likely Martin will either have to let Landry sign or completely let him go before really knowing who is coming. If Landry signs in November then there is no cutting ties with him no matter who wants to come.
 
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zansdad said:
We'll know a lot more coming the early signing period. If Landry doesn't sign his LOI in November then things might go this way. CCM might be able to get him to wait but it's much more likely Martin will either have to let Landry sign or completely let him go before really knowing who is coming. If Landry signs in November then there is no cutting ties with him no matter who wants to come.
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I would be shocked if Landry signs in November, absolutely stunned to be honest with you.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Our dream classes are identical sir, great minds think alike!

Hubbs
Hale
Nichols

My fourth is Jw3 or King(realistically probably Jw3). If we don't land either of them or if we can make room for a 5th(part with Reese or Q) I'm once again with you that I'd like to add Crawford to this class. He's going to be a very good player IMO, and probably could play a little bit of backup PG.

As I said in another thread, my reasoning for doing it this way is also this...you're primed for a MAJOR run in 2013. If stokes is to return and you can pull those 4 guys you're looking at a legitimate national championship contender in my opinion. If that's the case, you absolutely cut ties with Landry for the chance to bring the program to that level.

As you said, if we have that type of success, CCM will have no trouble landing one of those elte PG and then the PG situation will be fine.
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I just think Hale and Nichols gives a formidable duo in the post moving forward into the post-Stokes era. Hubbs seems to be a program changing recruit.
 
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CAVol said:
I just think Hale and Nichols gives a formidable duo in the post moving forward into the post-Stokes era. Hubbs seems to be a program changing recruit.
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Exactly. We need 2 posts and those 2 are 2 very talented guys to fill your post needs with. As you said Hubbs Is a program changer and has the potential to be a one and done, putting guys in the league speaks for itself. Then with the 4th its basically take the best option you can IMO. If King is willing then absolutely, same for Jw3, and on down the line to Crawford and even Stephens. We are in on so many talented guys that id rather see us fill our roster with talent, instead of settling on a mediocre at best PG.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I would be shocked if Landry signs in November, absolutely stunned to be honest with you.
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Why? If Martin has a verbal from him and he wants to sign in November, he either let's him sign or cuts him loose. I don't see much middle ground. And why would Landry put it off since he has been committed for so long?
 
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zansdad said:
Why? If Martin has a verbal from him and he wants to sign in November, he either let's him sign or cuts him loose. I don't see much middle ground. And why would Landry put it off since he has been committed for so long?
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I'm not saying Landry puts it off, I'm saying CCM either cuts him lose or tells him he has to wait to sign. I'd be shocked if he signed in November, that's all I was saying.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not saying Landry puts it off, I'm saying CCM either cuts him lose or tells him he has to wait to sign. I'd be shocked if he signed in November, that's all I was saying.
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Well that was my point in the first place. We'll know where the PG thing stands by November at the latest. Either Landry signs or Martin cuts him loose. I don't see Landry signing next spring. Hard to tell a guy that has been verbally committed to you for months to just hang tight while Martin looks for better players.
 
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zansdad said:
Well that was my point in the first place. We'll know where the PG thing stands by November at the latest. Either Landry signs or Martin cuts him loose. I don't see Landry signing next spring. Hard to tell a guy that has been verbally committed to you for months to just hang tight while Martin looks for better players.
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Yea, we should have a much clearer picture on the whole class by November.
 
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SlyStone said:
Is there an official link or wishful thinking? Hadn't seen anything that gives indication Tennessee is in on him.
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If you read th Shannon hale thread it explains it in depth.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-basketball/164210-shannon-hale.html
 
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pg josh newkirk
sg robert hubbs
sf king
pf jw III/OR HALE
pf nichols
these memphis guys are considering UT because Stokes and i wish he would stay since some say he likes collage,and surely they could get rid of someone or get a player to pay his own way through grants to get a fifth scolly.
 
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I think they will change the rule in collage to make players stay in school longer.atleast three years.So many leave early and some make it but others just never see the court except for summer leagues and scout team for three or for years.
 
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My thoughts on Cuonzo Martin: He has exceeded my expectations as a recruiter. I think he will be considered elite in no time. Elite talent in basketball, with some good coaching, wins championships.
 
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If a kid is on scholarship but doesn't pan out , are you just out of luck ? What options does a coach have?
 
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OJ said:
If a kid is on scholarship but doesn't pan out , are you just out of luck ? What options does a coach have?
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Technically, scholarships are renewable annually. Coaches would earn bad reps if they routinely yanked them as a yearly practice, but if someone isn't cutting it, you suggest they move on in their best interest and help them find about other school.
 
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volfan414life said:
I think they will change the rule in collage to make players stay in school longer.atleast three years.So many leave early and some make it but others just never see the court except for summer leagues and scout team for three or for years.
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I hope they don't change the rule of collages. It would no longer be a collage.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Technically, scholarships are renewable annually. Coaches would earn bad reps if they routinely yanked them as a yearly practice, but if someone isn't cutting it, you suggest they move on in their best interest and help them find about other school.
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Pretty much this.

A scholarship is only a one year commitment but coaches generally honor them until their eligibility is up.

As mentioned, a coach might suggest it would be better for you to finish your basketball career elsewhere but they won't flat out yank your scholarship and leave you high and dry.

I think you've seen plenty of bad players on the football and basketball team at Tennessee that never panned out. As you noticed, they still finished their time here. Coaches don't just pull scholarships cause players are bad.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
See Wes Washpun...
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But he was only released because Washpun wanted it too, correct? If a coach suggests to a player that they'd be better off elsewhere and the player says "nah, I like it here", coaches generally honor that. I'm not sure I've even seen a kid be forced out of a program for simply sucking if he wants to be there. Wouldn't make the coach look too good.
 
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I think if the coach finds them another school where they got a chance to play, that this would be an Honorable thing to do.
 
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