My Thoughts on the South Carolina Game, After Sleeping on it

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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.
 
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Vandy seems like they're not going to be a pushover w/ wins vs KY and FL last two weeks. We better come to play with an aggressive mindset. Losing to SC and Vandy to end the season would seem too "Butch Jones-ey" and would not help rounding out our 2023 class.
 
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Hopefully Christian Charles can move back to safety for next year. He looked much better there, in my opinion. Really thought we had a good one there. The staff thinks Jordan Matthews is a day one lockdown corner. If he really is another Cam Sutton, we could have the beginnings of a half decent secondary next year.
 
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South Carolina's offensive tackles were fabulous. Young's contributions were limited. Baron didn't even surface until a hands in face call when we had stopped them on third down.

It was a long night. Did we even play any man-to-man?
 
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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.


Really nice write-up. I agree totally on your opinion of the secondary coaching problem. We should be getting much better results with a good group of DB athletes.
I consider the major problem being with Martinez rather than Banks, even though Banks is DC. It starts with Martinez and this is his second failure at UT.

I am excited to see Milton for a full game and to see how he performs under pressure in the bowl game. I expect that he will be very successful the remainder
of this season and to have an All-SEC year next season.
 
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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.

Really solid and thoughtful post. Unlike a lot of our fellow posters, I don't feel qualified to opine on the ability of college coaches; however, I am qualified to identify the weakness on this team and it is the secondary followed by the linebackers. The new class should fix a lot of issues. Go Vols, beat Vandy!
 
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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.

Banks is terrible and Martinez is a retread that should have never been hired
 
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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.

Greg, I always enjoy your write-ups. It's hard to argue with your first paragraph, but it begs the question: If our DBs are not being coached, how do you explain our victories against LSU, Alabama, KY and Florida? Were they that bad then and we simply outscored the other team? Is Banks that effective of a leader and our defense seemed "lost" without him? DBs were badly coached to begin with and just had an even worse day than normal? All the above?
 
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My thoughts. No matter what is, or is not, leaked from the locker room, there was an outside issue at work Sat night. Tenn’s defense has not shut down passing this year but there is no way their normal effort was there. When we have a 10 game resume of both teams, Rattler has not been very good and Tenn has been a bend but not break defense. Tenn DBs were 10 yds off the los at the snap and were sometimes 5 yds away from the receiver when the pass was thrown. Even the offense looked distracted. Missed passes, WR drops, Olinemen not rushing to help their teammates up. Something was / is going on in the Locker room.
 
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My thoughts. No matter what is, or is not, leaked from the locker room, there was an outside issue at work Sat night. Tenn’s defense has not shut down passing this year but there is no way their normal effort was there. When we have a 10 game resume of both teams, Rattler has not been very good and Tenn has been a bend but not break defense. Tenn DBs were 10 yds off the los at the snap and were sometimes 5 yds away from the receiver when the pass was thrown. Even the offense looked distracted. Missed passes, WR drops, Olinemen not rushing to help their teammates up. Something was / is going on in the Locker room.
I don't believe UT has a QB suited up that can hit WR consistently that are wide open. That Rattler kid was lights out.
 
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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.

You realize the #6 juco CB isn't very good right? Some years there may be 2-3 very talented juco corners. There's almost never 5 or more. He was a very low ranked player

We only have 3 4* players on our roster at DB. SC has 3 within their freshman class alone. Recruiting is where we lost this game.
 
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While the transfers we got at CB were rated high in high school, they weren't getting much playing time at their chosen schools I believe,isn't that why they came here?Not to say they aren't any good or can't get better with coaching but getting transfers that weren't starters at their schools may need to be re-evaluated.
 
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Rattler placing the ball in a Solo cup to his receivers all night long was damned impressive..
Several times the defender played the WR as well as could be expected but somehow the ball was right in a tight window into the WRs hands..
He played out of his mind but he had all day back there to throw.. He was highly rated out of highschool and we see why.. Other teams put pressure on him and he looked like shat.
 
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I’m hopeful that Milton can get it done, but now that the lights are on him, this will likely be a disaster of epic proportions. Fingers crossed.
 
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Hard to find much positive from this one. Our dream season was dashed. Our defense was awful against a subpar offense.

-I've finally reached the point of no return on Martinez. I might could be convinced that it's not Banks if we replaced Martinez, but I'm leaning that way on him too. Just saying it's about personnel isn't enough. Good coaches get more production than this, even with average personnel. Brandon Turnage was a 4* recruit and the #11 CB in America when he signed with Alabama. Hadden was the #6 Juco CB in America when he signed with Auburn. McCollough was a 4*. Flowers was a 3* late riser (he'd been focusing on baseball) who we beat Clemson for. Pruitt really liked Charles and Slaughter and he does know DBs. Rucker was a highly thought of recruit. Dee Williams was the #1 or #2 JUCO CB. They simply aren't being developed or put in positions to succeed. Think about some of the defensive backfields James Franklin had at Vanderbilt...were they formed out of talent as highly rated as what UT has now? No. Even Saban's early Bama defensive backfields contained a lot of 3*s who were coached and schemed up. "Not enough talent" just isn't an excuse anymore. If they're not good at this point, it's because they aren't being developed. Conversely...

-Rodney Garner is taking non-blue chip recruits and making decent defensive lines out of them. Every position group on offense is taking lower rated recruits and producing big time with them. But the defensive backfield is the one spot that looks like a high school group. It's coaching. If Banks is kept, then Martinez needs to be let go and replaced with an elite DB coach. Kerry Coombs would be my fist call. He might like the idea of coming back to the state, having been DB coach for the Titans before.

-The news on Hooker is just gut-wrenching. Great kid, great QB, who led this great program back from the ashes. His legacy should and will be that. He's easily the best QB at Tennessee not named Manning. I hope he has a stellar NFL career. Would love to see him get an opportunity to succeed Tannehill in Nashville and go down as one of the greatest sports legends in state history.

-If Tennessee is going to blow its playoff chances against SC, at least Milton starting makes the Vanderbilt game more interesting. I would have otherwise been far less interested, but seeing what Milton can do against Vandy and in the bowl has me very interested to watch these last two games. If he can grab the bull by the horns and show out, expectations for 2023 will be higher than they've been in many, many preseasons.

-On that note, I wonder if other younger guys will play more, now that the stakes aren't as high. Will Dylan Sampson play more at RB, giving Small some rest? Squirrel? If Turnage and Slaughter are out, who plays CB behind Hadden and Charles? Do Christian Harrison and/or Dee Williams get a shot? I would think the latter would be far more up to speed now and will get increased practice reps with the others out.

This was a huge growing pain. But they happen. On to Vanderbilt. Let's get to 10-2.
As I read all your good questions about what player should be given a chance etc, to me that is something that should be resolved on the practice field and done by the coaches on a weekly basis. And you should not be having to do it with 1 or 2 games left in the season. If you try to summarize Saturdays effort by the secondary, you'd have to say it was NO EFFORT whatsoever. I mean, if you are getting beat by a receiver , at least interfere or hold, or grab---that's only a 15 yard penalty which is bad but better than letting them walk to the end zone every time they touch the ball.
 
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We lost to South Carolina, How? They beat the brakes off of us. Now Hendon Hooker is out for the rest of the season. Maybe defenses have caught up on our fast pace offense. It's not been that faced pace he past 2 games.
I think it's more about bad D plan especially first 2-3 series, and giving them good/decent field position seemingly every drive. We weren't aggressive and let them build confidence in their house on a Saturday night game. If we came out aggressive and took them out of the game it could have been more like LSU. I think we looked at UF and thought with their two RBs being out, we'd play conservative, keep them in front of us and make them drive the ball down the field and didn't figure Ratlif would have his best game in 3 years...certainly nothing this year had shown us that he could look like a Heisman QB. But, give them credit for an inspired, physical and well executed game plan.
 
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My thoughts. No matter what is, or is not, leaked from the locker room, there was an outside issue at work Sat night. Tenn’s defense has not shut down passing this year but there is no way their normal effort was there. When we have a 10 game resume of both teams, Rattler has not been very good and Tenn has been a bend but not break defense. Tenn DBs were 10 yds off the los at the snap and were sometimes 5 yds away from the receiver when the pass was thrown. Even the offense looked distracted. Missed passes, WR drops, Olinemen not rushing to help their teammates up. Something was / is going on in the Locker room.
Yup
 

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