Napolitano: DHS Authorizing Illegal Aliens to Work in U.S.

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“It cost in the neighborhood of $23,000 to $30,000 to actually remove somebody. That’s our cost, [it] doesn’t include Justice Department cost. The Congress gives us the ability to finance removals of 400,000 people a year.”


Is it just me or does building a big ass fence not seem like a good investment. I guess it is just too logical though.
 
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Im sure the cost of healthcare and education might top that number just a little but hey who's counting it's only paper.
 
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From the same article it also says that they have removed 377 to 397 (a record) thousand illegals this last fiscal year. Not like they stopped removing them. I think you could make a case that it shouldn't cost 30 to 40k to do it. I'm sure that dept. is bloated like the rest.
 
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For those who think illegal immigration is a problem, there is one fool-proof way to reduce the problem:

(1) Severely cut or eliminate corporate income tax.
(2) Severely reduce or eliminate the Federal Minimum Wage.
(3) Restrict the operations of or eliminate the EPA, OSHA, and the FDA.

These three measures would send an invitation to the world that the US is the best place to produce goods. Production centers not only directly create jobs but they also create a tertiary service industry in the area.

Between the current unemployment rate and the government jobs that would be cut by (3) these jobs would be filled by Americans.
 
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I think you could make a case that it shouldn't cost 30 to 40k to do it. I'm sure that dept. is bloated like the rest.

I agree. I'd like to see a breakdown of this cost estimate to deport someone.
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“It cost in the neighborhood of $23,000 to $30,000 to actually remove somebody. That’s our cost, [it] doesn’t include Justice Department cost. The Congress gives us the ability to finance removals of 400,000 people a year.”


Is it just me or does building a big ass fence not seem like a good investment. I guess it is just too logical though.
They'd just dig under it. Until we stop making it so easy and inviting to just walk right over the border they'll keep doing it. Cut off any aid, make finding work more difficult and there would be less of them.
 
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They'd just dig under it. Until we stop making it so easy and inviting to just walk right over the border they'll keep doing it. Cut off any aid, make finding work more difficult and there would be less of them.

Bury land mines...
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Any "how do we keep them out"/"how do we get rid of them" approach is bound to fail. The issue that needs to be addressed is "why do they want to come to America?"

The answer is that there are jobs for them in America. This naturally leads to the next question:

Why, with an unemployment rate of between 9-12%, are there jobs in America that are being taken by foreigners?

Finding the answer to that question and then remedying the situation is the key (see post #5).
 
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Any "how do we keep them out"/"how do we get rid of them" approach is bound to fail. The issue that needs to be addressed is "why do they want to come to America?"

The answer is that there are jobs for them in America. This naturally leads to the next question:

Why, with an unemployment rate of between 9-12%, are there jobs in America that are being taken by foreigners?

Finding the answer to that question and then remedying the situation is the key (see post #5).

I, too, agree that we should eliminate the Federal and State minimum wage.
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We could save a lot of money and solve a lot of problems if we just eliminated illegal immigration altogether. I know how this can be done. Drop most of our (ineffective) immigration policies!

Let people freely come and go. Some poor guy from Honduras who is just trying to earn enough money to feed his family is not evil. And most independent studies (all that I have ever found, but I am leaving room for mistakes) show that illegal immigrants don't take jobs, they actually boost the economy. A lot of people don't see this, but they are falling into the same trap that liberals do about the economy. It is not a zero sum game. There is not a fixed amount of wealth that has to be divided fairly, like liberals want. And there is not a fixed amount of jobs that need to be hoarded, the way conservatives want.

We would also be safer. The vast majority of immigrants are hard working and honest people. As long as we use prohibition (which never works, see drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling) we will have a black market. The problem with black markets is that they are virtually impossible to police, regulate and control. Since we creating a black market on immigration, we are setting up bad things. If everyone who wanted to come, could come, then we could easily funnel them through checkpoints. Why sneak in if you can come through legally and register on your way in? The only filters we use at the checkpoints is for criminals, terrorists, and others of that ilk. That means that the people who do try to sneak in are genuinely bad people that we don't want. As it stands, we can't see the trees (bad people) for the forest (all the other immigrants) in the mass illegal and smuggling that goes on. We can't stop it. Let's use it.
 
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We could save a lot of money and solve a lot of problems if we just eliminated illegal immigration altogether. I know how this can be done. Drop most of our (ineffective) immigration policies!

Let people freely come and go. Some poor guy from Honduras who is just trying to earn enough money to feed his family is not evil. And most independent studies (all that I have ever found, but I am leaving room for mistakes) show that illegal immigrants don't take jobs, they actually boost the economy. A lot of people don't see this, but they are falling into the same trap that liberals do about the economy. It is not a zero sum game. There is not a fixed amount of wealth that has to be divided fairly, like liberals want. And there is not a fixed amount of jobs that need to be hoarded, the way conservatives want.

We would also be safer. The vast majority of immigrants are hard working and honest people. As long as we use prohibition (which never works, see drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling) we will have a black market. The problem with black markets is that they are virtually impossible to police, regulate and control. Since we creating a black market on immigration, we are setting up bad things. If everyone who wanted to come, could come, then we could easily funnel them through checkpoints. Why sneak in if you can come through legally and register on your way in? The only filters we use at the checkpoints is for criminals, terrorists, and others of that ilk. That means that the people who do try to sneak in are genuinely bad people that we don't want. As it stands, we can't see the trees (bad people) for the forest (all the other immigrants) in the mass illegal and smuggling that goes on. We can't stop it. Let's use it.

How do you identify the bad ones from the good ones? How do you keep the bad ones out? I disagree with your stance and think our immigration laws should be more strict.
 
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How do you identify the bad ones from the good ones? How do you keep the bad ones out? I disagree with your stance and think our immigration laws should be more strict.

You do not "keep the bad ones out"; you simply wait until they break a law in America (a wholesale revision of statutory law in America needs to be undertaken as well) and then try them under our Judicial System.

I care less than one iota whether someone comes to America and was a mass-murderer previously in Mexico; if all they do is work hard in America it is a boon for America. If they continue their path of violence, then charge them for the violence committed in America.
 
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How do you identify the bad ones from the good ones? How do you keep the bad ones out? I disagree with your stance and think our immigration laws should be more strict.

Go ahead. Make the laws more strict. I guarantee it won't work, but try it if you want to waste time and money. It will work about as well as stricter drug laws have.
 

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