National College FB Roster Rankings going into 2014

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oh boy, an unlucky number. can't be good where's my lucky rabbits' foot...
 
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de3cls said:
I could not find if this was already posted so here it is. Thought this was very interesting. Vols 13th ranked roster going into 2014 season. SIAP

Ranking College Football's Rosters for 2014 | AthlonSports.com
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Hmmm. Very interesting premise, but the actual methodology is a bit crude. Averaging the team recruiting class rankings for the last five years doesn't account for all of the subsequent transfers, dismissals or early entrees that can deplete a class. A far more accurate approach would be something like adding up the sum number of Rivals stars or ESPN number grades for every roster.
 
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This list also doesn't weight the recruits by what year they came in. In other words, instead of the class of 2013 being weighted more than the class of 2010, it's exactly the same no matter which year it is.

A better system would be to do something like to take the last 3-5 years of on-field results and combine them with a 1 or 2 year average of your recruiting ranking to give a better idea which roster is more talented.
 
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So unless we underachieve we should end up ranked somewhere around #13 at the end of the season.
Now that I look at this closer, I see no other school has come close to underachieving like we have.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
So unless we underachieve we should end up ranked somewhere around #13 at the end of the season.
Now that I look at this closer, I see no other school has come close to underachieving like we have.
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Only if you believe depth issues and attrition mean nothing in terms of grading a roster. A true assessment of talent would look at active roster versus signed players then calculate a score based on a player's individual composite ranking. From there you could even rate the senior, junior and sophomore classes based on how well they panned out, then juxtapose those new rankings with the original composite class ranking. That would be far more interesting, I think. :loco:
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
So unless we underachieve we should end up ranked somewhere around #13 at the end of the season.
Now that I look at this closer, I see no other school has come close to underachieving like we have.
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so this report is the gospel?? :)
 
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BULL(cough)IT. Is this some conspiracy to create a hot seat for Jones if the team doesn't achieve a 13th or better rating?
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Hmmm. Very interesting premise, but the actual methodology is a bit crude. Averaging the team recruiting class rankings for the last five years doesn't account for all of the subsequent transfers, dismissals or early entrees that can deplete a class. A far more accurate approach would be something like adding up the sum number of Rivals stars or ESPN number grades for every roster.
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I agree. I would like to see where we stand if one compares the players still on the teams rank. After all, this years team IS composed of those who remain from those classes and not those who have dropped off the team for one or more reasons. The way they have compared the teams is like comparing the total income of your ex spouses with the spouse you just married.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I agree. I would like to see where we stand if one compares the players still on the teams rank. After all, this years team IS composed of those who remain from those classes and not those who have dropped off the team for one or more reasons. The way they have compared the teams is like comparing the total income of your ex spouses with the spouse you just married.
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senior class is three 4 stars, seven 3 stars and five others (3 walk-ons, a volley ball players and a recruit)

junior class is seven 4 stars, six 3 stars and four others.

sophomore class is six 4 stars, twelve 3 stars and one other.

freshman class is 0 experience, two 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars and nineteen 3 stars.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Hmmm. Very interesting premise, but the actual methodology is a bit crude. Averaging the team recruiting class rankings for the last five years doesn't account for all of the subsequent transfers, dismissals or early entrees that can deplete a class. A far more accurate approach would be something like adding up the sum number of Rivals stars or ESPN number grades for every roster.
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It should have been titled the top classes signed over the last five years. Because, they don't count for attrition at all.
 
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LWSVOL said:
senior class is three 4 stars, seven 3 stars and five others (3 walk-ons, a volley ball players and a recruit)

junior class is seven 4 stars, six 3 stars and four others.

sophomore class is six 4 stars, twelve 3 stars and one other.

freshman class is 0 experience, two 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars and nineteen 3 stars.
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:jawdrop:
 
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LWSVOL said:
senior class is three 4 stars, seven 3 stars and five others (3 walk-ons, a volley ball players and a recruit)

junior class is seven 4 stars, six 3 stars and four others.

sophomore class is six 4 stars, twelve 3 stars and one other.

freshman class is 0 experience, two 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars and nineteen 3 stars.
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So what your saying is SEC champs and a sugar bowl appearance
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
So what your saying is SEC champs and a sugar bowl appearance
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The next step is to analyze the talent on our opponents' rosters. I'd guess 6-7 of them probably have equal or better talent according to class rankings and one that doesn't (Mizzou) has a bunch of underrated athletes recruited to a system they've been working in for a number of years.

2014 is going to be another long hard slog. There are no quick fixes for UT. We've been in the crapper for too long.

Check out Spurrier's records in his first five years at USCe. That's probably closer to the trajectory we are on, although I expect we will be more competitive slightly sooner since we can recruit a little better.

If our unreasonable fanbase gives Butch time, no question we will have consistent 8-10 win teams in about 3-5 years. If we don't give him time, the "rebuild" will go on indefinitely IMO. Going to be tough to hire good coaches to a place that consistently chews them up and spits them out after 2-3 years.
 
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LWSVOL said:
senior class is three 4 stars, seven 3 stars and five others (3 walk-ons, a volley ball players and a recruit)

junior class is seven 4 stars, six 3 stars and four others.

sophomore class is six 4 stars, twelve 3 stars and one other.

freshman class is 0 experience, two 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars and nineteen 3 stars.
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Are these composite grades, or based off one site?
 
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Im going to do just the SEC East for now and Bama for comparison (Bc they will lead the nation, IMO).

Here's my idea, let me know what if you guys have any input.

Composite Star rankings

5 star - 5 points, 4 star - 4 points, 3 star - 3 pts, other = 2pts

than a multiplier based on years in college.

4/3 (Senior) yr add 1x,
2 (junior) yr - x.75,
1 (soph/rs) yr .5x,
0 yr - 0x.



So a 3 star senior could be worth 6 points, 5 star senior worth 10 points, 4 star junior would be worth 7 points, a 4 star RS Freshman would be worth 6 pts, etc.


obviously this wont be super accurate but it will be better than what we are seeing in the OP
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Only if you believe depth issues and attrition mean nothing in terms of grading a roster. A true assessment of talent would look at active roster versus signed players then calculate a score based on a player's individual composite ranking. From there you could even rate the senior, junior and sophomore classes based on how well they panned out, then juxtapose those new rankings with the original composite class ranking. That would be far more interesting, I think. :loco:
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My post was mostly tongue in cheek, however it is also naive to assume no other schools had any of the same player attrition issues we have had. However my larger point is look at the four year recruiting classes and the win-loss record. Regardless of the reason we have grossly underachieved.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
BULL(cough)IT. Is this some conspiracy to create a hot seat for Jones if the team doesn't achieve a 13th or better rating?
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No reason to so defensive this early in the process, there is at least a two more year window before any apologies have to made, and if steady progress is made it will be a longer honeymoon.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
BULL(cough)IT. Is this some conspiracy to create a hot seat for Jones if the team doesn't achieve a 13th or better rating?
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Our roster improved greatly with the last class. I don't think this is a season predictor and seriously doubt Athlon considered Butch Jones at all in their assessment.
 
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terrypedigo said:
I don't see it that way, no way we are 13 in the country maybe next year.
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We just signed a 30 plus class with a boatload of four stars. The talent level went up a lot. The talent is young but the roster has been significantly upgraded. I expect due to the size of this past class and the start Jones has for next year we will have legitimate top ten talent on the team. The future looks good if we can get through this season in decent shape. 2016-2017 should see us legitimately in the SEC race.
 
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LWSVOL said:
senior class is three 4 stars, seven 3 stars and five others (3 walk-ons, a volley ball players and a recruit)

junior class is seven 4 stars, six 3 stars and four others.

sophomore class is six 4 stars, twelve 3 stars and one other.

freshman class is 0 experience, two 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars and nineteen 3 stars.
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To show comparison to our rival Alabama (the only school I've had time to do so far) based on their current roster compared with composite rankings from 247 from each player's final hs grade.

Senior - two 5 stars, eight 4 stars, four 3 stars

Junior - two 5 stars, eleven 4 stars, four 3 stars

Soph - six 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars, fourteen 3 stars

Fresh - six 5 stars, fifteen 4 stars, five 3 stars

And based on my projected data format (see above)

our number is 400.5 and bama's is 526.5
 
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