Nazism vs communism.

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STEVE LACKNER-CONSERVATIVE NEWS, ISSUES, DEBATES, AND COMMENTARY: Nazism And Communism, Whose Crimes Were Worse? A Brief Reflection On History's Greatest Evils

Cohen perfectly analyzes why one would think that Communism and Nazism are morally distinct. If one studies merely the numbers one would know that Communism killed upward of 80 million people, a number substantially greater than the amount killed by Hitler.

Hitler’s Germany, on the other hand, was systematically trying to destroy a particular group of people in the grandest genocide in world history in which six million Jews were slaughtered . A Jew may think Nazism more depraved, while a Ukranian might find Communism to be the more malevolent. To the millions of victims of both, however, it is impossible to make any claim of superior wickedness.

Russian officials have tried to play down their own history by pointing out that Soviet Union fought “The Great Patriotic War” to defeat Nazism. Former Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said that "when people today discuss whether we occupied anybody's country or not, I want to ask them: what would have happened to you had we not broken the back of fascism?”

The Red Army deserves much credit for their role in defeating Nazism but that is no excuse for the suffering caused by the expansion of Soviet influence and the creation of “satellite states” in Eastern Europe. On April 25th, 2005, Russian President Vladimir Putin lamented the fall of the Soviet Empire saying that “first and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

This kind of rhetoric is unacceptable for the highest official of what is supposed to be a democratic Russia. The collapse of what Ronald Reagan termed the “evil empire” was not in any way a catastrophe. It is far more important to make sure true history is not rewritten than to debate which is the lesser of two evils.

The title of the article is itself historically inaccurate: “1945's Legacy: A Terror Defeated, Another Arrives.”

The terror of the Soviet Union pre-dated the second world war. Before 1939 Stalin’s Great Purges were already taking place. The Great Famine of Ukraine between 1932-1933 as a direct result of Stalin’s policy of forced collectivization killed an estimated six to seven million people.

Not only that, but the Soviets were allied with Germany under the Hitler-Stalin Pact which included economic trade with the German Army right up until the Nazi marched east into territory controlled by the Soviets.

The Pact included a secret protocol which called for the creation of “spheres of interest” in the areas conquered by the two countries, effectively creating what was in actuality an aggressive military alliance. The Soviets only became enemies with the Third Reich when the Nazis began marching toward Moscow in Operation Barbarossa.

The Second World War was a triangulated battle with Democracy, Fascism, and Communism as the power players. Once Fascism was defeated a struggle between Democracy and Communism was bound to emerge.

Winston Churchill understood that “Uncle Joe” Stalin was not our ally and delivered the Iron curtain speech in Fulton, Missouri, in 1946. Arguably, the Second World War really ended when the Soviet Union collapsed .

This point is critical because it provides a better understanding of the evil of Communism. It also demonstrates 1945's true legacy. 1945 was a switch in gears in the epic battle between the forces in the world, with Fascism (and Japanese Imperialism) destroyed while Communism and Democracy began the second round of conflict.

Roger Cohen’s article is insightful in it’s analysis of whether a “meaningful distinction can be made, in moral terms, between Communist totalitarian terror and Nazism.” There is no honest way to decipher the lesser of two evils in this sort of context. Though there are misrepresentations, Cohen deals with this central quandary.

Cohen ends off his article by saying that “the search for truth remains a work in progress.” This project is sabotaged by the efforts of revisionists and apologists who seek to obfuscate the truth. It is our duty to make sure that the history we know is not corrupted.
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communism and its not even close. Hitler was actually a good leader and did alot of good things in Germany
 
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Totalitarianism = Totalitarianism, no matter what kind of fancy names we want to ascribe them for their minor differences.
 
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nbakerld said:
Like what? I'm open-minded.
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he united all of germany again like never before and brought a sense of pride back to germans after their defeat in ww1, he wanted every german to have an automobile whether rich or poor so they created Volkswagen(people's car).. before he came into power in 1933 unemployment crippled the german economy and he put everybody back to work and brought them out the depression. Hitler had alot of do with the modern highway systems we use today because theyre modeled after the Autobahn. the Olympic torch lighting ceremony was Hitlers idea for the 1936 Olympics and we still use it today. and not even counting the technology advancements from Hitler's germany that we still use today. the fact is Hitler(before the war) did more for his people than any US president does for us.
 
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TSwafford said:
the fact is Hitler(before the war) did more for his people than any US president does for us.
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So other than killing off the Jewish population and getting his country reduced to rubble in a world war, I guess he was an OK guy?
 
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So if wwii didn't really end until the fall of communism, does reagan get credit for winning wwii now?
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TSwafford said:
communism and its not even close. Hitler was actually a good leader and did alot of good things in Germany
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This post dererves a double header.
 
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TSwafford said:
he united all of germany again like never before and brought a sense of pride back to germans after their defeat in ww1, he wanted every german to have an automobile whether rich or poor so they created Volkswagen(people's car).. before he came into power in 1933 unemployment crippled the german economy and he put everybody back to work and brought them out the depression. Hitler had alot of do with the modern highway systems we use today because theyre modeled after the Autobahn. the Olympic torch lighting ceremony was Hitlers idea for the 1936 Olympics and we still use it today. and not even counting the technology advancements from Hitler's germany that we still use today. the fact is Hitler(before the war) did more for his people than any US president does for us.
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They borrowed money to employ people so it was fake temporary wealth. He gets credit by Keynesian's for public works programs, but truth be told his greatest contribution was in the stuff he left alone. There was no minimum wage, for instance. All things considered, he had a socialist policy, much like FDR.

Perhaps the worst part of these policies is that they are inconceivable without a leviathan state, exactly as Keynes said. A government big enough and powerful enough to manipulate aggregate demand is big and powerful enough to violate people's civil liberties and attack their rights in every other way.
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Hitler's Economics by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

As for the other things you credit him with....forget about the holocaust and WWII, I don't think that's a very impressive resume.
 
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