NCAA could be in Big Trouble

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RFlynn

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NCAA could find it's self in major trouble (lawsuits) if the season is played at the FBS level and they have Bowl games and Playoffs. Why you ask? Well last week the send down their ruling that all post season championships for D2 And D3 were cancelled. This has snowballed into many conferences in these division to postpone their seasons. So how are these players less important than the D1 players. Look's like these games would be safer since the crowds are less. Only explanation is $$$$. NCAA which is a non profit pays it's director $3.8 million a year which comes from probably the TV contracts of FBS. If this organization is for the student athletes then how is this fair? Don't get me wrong I want college football this fall but the players in the other divisions work just as long and hard as the D1 kids. So lets be fair to all or the NCAA must be dissolved and sued if this happens. Let me know your thoughts?
 
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Unlike FCS and the lower divisions, the NCAA doesn't run the CFP or the bowls, and they have no say over whether or not they get played. The lower division players/schools/ADs or whomever can't sue the NCAA for not shutting down something when the NCAA has no authority to do so.
 
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bamawriter said:
Unlike FCS and the lower divisions, the NCAA doesn't run the CFP or the bowls, and they have no say over whether or not they get played. The lower division players/schools/ADs or whomever can't sue the NCAA for not shutting down something when the NCAA has no authority to do so.
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If they have no authority then how did they shut down the playoffs for this fall forcing conferences to postpone seasons. I'm sick of the politics being played. Jest let the kids play.
 
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bamawriter said:
Unlike FCS and the lower divisions, the NCAA doesn't run the CFP or the bowls, and they have no say over whether or not they get played. The lower division players/schools/ADs or whomever can't sue the NCAA for not shutting down something when the NCAA has no authority to do so.
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Also you think Bowl games don't have to have NCAA approval?
 
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bamawriter said:
Unlike FCS and the lower divisions, the NCAA doesn't run the CFP or the bowls, and they have no say over whether or not they get played. The lower division players/schools/ADs or whomever can't sue the NCAA for not shutting down something when the NCAA has no authority to do so.
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How come you have to win 6 games (or qualify on APR if there aren't enough 6-win teams) to get into a bowl? I've never understood how the NCAA enforces that rule, because to your point they don't control the bowls. What's stopping a bowl from inviting two 0-12 teams and them playing in a bowl game?
 
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RFlynn said:
If they have no authority then how did they shut down the playoffs for this fall forcing conferences to postpone seasons. I'm sick of the politics being played. Jest let the kids play.
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They run the championships for the lower divisions. Thus, they could cancel them.
 
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05_never_again said:
How come you have to win 6 games (or qualify on APR if there aren't enough 6-win teams) to get into a bowl? I've never understood how the NCAA enforces that rule, because to your point they don't control the bowls. What's stopping a bowl from inviting two 0-12 teams and them playing in a bowl game?
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That's a great question, and it's an issue of semantics. The NCAA can set rules for eligibility for postseason play, whether that means the championship playoffs at the lower levels or bowl games in the FBS. But the NCAA can't say that the bowls and/or CFP can't be played at all because they don't govern those games.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's a great question, and it's an issue of semantics. The NCAA can set rules for eligibility for postseason play, whether that means the championship playoffs at the lower levels or bowl games in the FBS. But the NCAA can't say that the bowls and/or CFP can't be played at all because they don't govern those games.
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I can't imagine a bowl game actually doing this, but could theoretically a bowl game invite a sub-6-win team (or a team that didn't qualify on APR) and play a game...and the NCAA would just say that they don't recognize it as being an official game?
 
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05_never_again said:
I can't imagine a bowl game actually doing this, but could theoretically a bowl game invite a sub-6-win team (or a team that didn't qualify on APR) and play a game...and the NCAA would just say that they don't recognize it as being an official game?
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Hypothetically I guess they could. But it's also possible that the NCAA could turn around and sanction that team for a number of violations.
 
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I think there are common misunderstandings about the NCAA. Given their charter and the huge number of member institutions, it’s very easy to understand why they canceled fall championships. However it doesn’t technically preclude a member institution from allowing fall sports.
 
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What if the NCAA created a new division? Basically a Power 5 division? Where the NCAA can govern in a way which is more suitable to P5/non-P5 sports. Even if just for football.
 
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golfballs said:
What if the NCAA created a new division? Basically a Power 5 division? Where the NCAA can govern in a way which is more suitable to P5/non-P5 sports. Even if just for football.
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You mean a new NCAA "division" that would pay players? I don't think they'd ever do that. What is more likely is that various "big" schools broke out of the NCAA and created their own league. The NCAA is just a creation of the schools anyway - they could leave it and create a new structure that paid players if they wanted.
 
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05_never_again said:
You mean a new NCAA "division" that would pay players? I don't think they'd ever do that. What is more likely is that various "big" schools broke out of the NCAA and created their own league. The NCAA is just a creation of the schools anyway - they could leave it and create a new structure that paid players if they wanted.
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So then why would they need to leave the NCAA? They would just start a new division within the NCAA. And not specifically in regards to paying players. Would apply to any number of rules
 
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golfballs said:
So then why would they need to leave the NCAA? They would just start a new division within the NCAA. And not specifically in regards to paying players. Would apply to any number of rules
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Because not all the schools in the NCAA would like the new league. The big money schools that want to run a big boy league would need to leave and form their own structure - few if any of the G5 schools would like this idea (perhaps schools like UCF and Boise St would, but not many more), and some individual schools within the P5 probably wouldn't like it either. The big money schools would therefore need to leave the NCAA and create their own thing.
 
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05_never_again said:
Because not all the schools in the NCAA would like the new league. The big money schools that want to run a big boy league would need to leave and form their own structure - few if any of the G5 schools would like this idea (perhaps schools like UCF and Boise St would, but not many more), and some individual schools within the P5 probably wouldn't like it either. The big money schools would therefore need to leave the NCAA and create their own thing.
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The NCAA would be compelled to change rather than allow P5 to leave. The other schools would really not like it otherwise
 
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golfballs said:
The NCAA would be compelled to change rather than allow P5 to leave. The other schools would really not like it otherwise
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The G5 schools and many smaller P5 schools would not support (because they couldn't afford it) a model that pays players. It's just the big schools, and they are a minority in the NCAA.
 
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05_never_again said:
The G5 schools and many smaller P5 schools would not support (because they couldn't afford it) a model that pays players. It's just the big schools, and they are a minority in the NCAA.
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But they benefit by having the P5 schools in the same association. Faced w their departure they would be compelled to change
 
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05_never_again said:
You mean a new NCAA "division" that would pay players? I don't think they'd ever do that. What is more likely is that various "big" schools broke out of the NCAA and created their own league. The NCAA is just a creation of the schools anyway - they could leave it and create a new structure that paid players if they wanted.
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Per Title 9 universities paying players will likely have to occur at an equal level between men's and women's sports. Just paying football players simply isn't an option.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
Per Title 9 universities paying players will likely have to occur at an equal level between men's and women's sports. Just paying football players simply isn't an option.
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Regardless of how they did it, it could be claimed as unfair. It might not be an option, but if just football players (or just players in the revenue-producing sports) were paid, then that would be unfair. If they all get paid the same, regardless of the revenue their respective sports bring in, then that is unfair. Which is why I see the only real workable solution being that they are allowed to sell their likeness.
 
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Nah, hold the athletes to Title IX so male and female athletes have to be paid the same. So the bench riding back up 2nd base softballer draws the same check as the Butkus award winning linebacker. Everyone is hollering for socialism and equality? Give it to 'em.
 
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