NCAA officiating - PAC12 ref suspended

[bamawriter]

They were likely looking to find some way to help Bama but couldnt.

This narrative makes no sense. Wanna help Bama? Rule Moss out of bounds.

 

[bamawriter]

Bama will always get the benefit of the calls and protection they need. The total number of penalties stat is does not paint the story. There is a double standard that is clear as day. Any Bama fan has zero room to complain about officiating.

So, again, the argument is that Bama owns the SEC and Big 10 refs?

 

[rjd970]

So, again, the argument is that Bama owns the SEC and Big 10 refs?

The argument is Bama gets the calls and there is a double standard.

Say what you will, the visual of those two gifs is striking.

 

[bamawriter]

The argument is Bama gets the calls and there is a double standard.

Say what you will, the visual of those two gifs is striking.

Okay. Why? The argument is that the SEC always tries to protect Bama. For evidence, here's a game with a Big 10 crew.

 

[rjd970]

Okay. Why? The argument is that the SEC always tries to protect Bama. For evidence, here's a game with a Big 10 crew.

Yet again, the argument is Bama gets a double standard.

There is also plenty of evidence Bama gets protection from the SEC office. MSU last year? UT this year?

Here is a great rundown from the UT game this year.

Just watched the game with every play in slow motion. Wow was there a lot to unfold.

**Bama got away with at least 3 very clear holding calls. Amazingly 2 of the 3 were on 3rd downs they converted.
**Bama got away with a clear pass interference on Jennings on the pass off his hands in the endzone.
**Bama got away with lining up offsides on the 4th and 1 JG fumble.
**Both Bama and Tennessee were called for holding on receivers once each that was suspect to say the least. Tennessee called in the endzone and Bama was called on a swing pass.
**Tennessee was called for holding on each of its first 3 redzone appearances. 1 was a made up call, 1 was questionable and happened out in front of the play and had no bearing on the result of the play and the last 1 was legit.
**Tennessee got away with 1 clear hold.
**Morris was called for holding on a TD run by Jennings out of the wildcat. On this play Morris never comes close to holding. He drove his guy straight back about 5 yards then disengaged the block. Also, Jennings was clearly in for a TD however he was spotted out at the 1. Odd here is 64 and 9 neither sound or look anything alike and ESPN tried to convince the audience with 1 poor replay the hold was on 9 and the refs made a mistake with the Jersey number. Never saw 9 hold either.
**Still have no clue why the refs stopped the game when we had the ball in the redzone lining up in wildcat and ready to snap the ball.
**Still dont see how Taylor is called for a personal foul on Jones. Odd here is after Griese was adamant that was not roughing the guy they have as an official to get his opinion disagreed. This is an ongoing theme with the announcers in this game to disagree about calls.
**Bama ran a conpleted out route for about 7 yards before their FG attempt. Only 1 second ran off the clock and was never addressed by the officials although 3 timeouts followed the play. I guess no one cared.
**Butuli was ejected for targeting and by rule it was the correct call. What is odd here is first off there is no penalty called for targeting and both announcers call it a clean hit even upon reviewing the play which also amazingly enough was reviewed 3 times on TV before the ref said the play was under review to see if the receiver had scored? Wait what? He was easily short of the goalline. Once the review began the announcers changed their opinion to it was targeting. After review the ref said the play was reviewed for targeting and it was confirmed. I'm confused on how you confirm a penalty that wasn't called on a play that was announced to be reviewed for a different reason. But hey on this one they did get the call correct in the end. Just pure incompetence in getting there.
**After a delay of game while the ref is making the call another ref gets his attention and says timeout was called by Bama. Odd here is that there was no replay to show any player or coach calling a timeout before the delay of game.
**Bama has a no call for delay of game with late snap.
**Tennessee was flagged for 3 different penalties on one 1 play.
**Bama was called for 2 penalties on one play.
**Jennings catches a pass, takes 2 to 3 steps and is stripped. Tennessee recovers and it should be 3rd and 5. Play is reviewed, booth initiated, and the call on the field is overruled creating a 3rd and 10 for the Vols that lead to a punt.
** Maurer takes a cheap shot from Lee and 2 flags are thrown. Targeting is the call on the field. This is so stupid it pisses me off. The refs should call personal foul unnecessary roughness here and never targeting. Why? Well targeting can be booth initiated for review and even if the refs called something different the call can be changed. However, if targeting is the original call it cannot be changed to a personal foul because the booth cannot call something not called on the field other than targeting. We've seen this several times already this year in college football and its appalling to have officials still doing this wrong. Just a disgrace that this hit had no penalty. The blitzing linebacker saw the pass and came to a complete stop and still shoved Maurer down to the ground.

In this game there were bad calls, bad no calls, 3 reviews against Tennessee that were all initiated from the replay booth, a clock error, a mysterious play stoppage from an official, multiple errors in announcements from the head umpire, a lot of disagreements from the guys calling the game and as always a few questionable spots when marking the ball down. Wow just wow.

Seriously it is exhausting to rewatch this game and put all of this into a single post.
Honestly at this point I just hope its therapeutic for me to just write this all out and move on.

If you read all of this I'm so sorry.

Argue all you want, but the narrative the SEC protects Bama isn't far fetched and if the officials made the UT calls against Bama you guys would be screaming holy hell.

 

[bamawriter]

Here is a great rundown from the UT game this year.



Argue all you want, but the narrative the SEC protects Bama isn't far fetched and if the officials made the UT calls against Bama you guys would be screaming holy hell.

That is some conspiracy driven nonsense right there. Two of those have some legit meat on the bone:

**Still have no clue why the refs stopped the game when we had the ball in the redzone lining up in wildcat and ready to snap the ball.

No idea here.

**Still dont see how Taylor is called for a personal foul on Jones.

Ticky tack? Sure. But Taylor laid on Jones for way longer than necessary and gave him the business on the way up. In a game that both starting QBs had exited for injury, that's simply not smart. Wanna say that they wouldn't have called that on Bama? You're just making a plea to hypotheticals.

Everything else is arguing with calls or no-calls that happen in every game. Tennessee got away with stuff, Bama got away with stuff. Tennessee got some calls, Bama got some calls. Bama had more penalties but the same # of yards as UT. Both teams had the same number of first downs on penalties. All 3 UT scoring drives were assisted by penalty, as was the drive on which Guarantano fumbled at the goalline.

Does Hubert Owens crew suck? Yes they do. But they didn't gift Bama that game.

 

[rjd970]

That is some conspiracy driven nonsense right there. Two of those have some legit meat on the bone:



No idea here.



Ticky tack? Sure. But Taylor laid on Jones for way longer than necessary and gave him the business on the way up. In a game that both starting QBs had exited for injury, that's simply not smart. Wanna say that they wouldn't have called that on Bama? You're just making a plea to hypotheticals.

Everything else is arguing with calls or no-calls that happen in every game. Tennessee got away with stuff, Bama got away with stuff. Tennessee got some calls, Bama got some calls. Bama had more penalties but the same # of yards as UT. Both teams had the same number of first downs on penalties. All 3 UT scoring drives were assisted by penalty, as was the drive on which Guarantano fumbled at the goalline.

Does Hubert Owens crew suck? Yes they do. But they didn't gift Bama that game.

Happens every game? BS. That rundown was very thorough, and included missed calls and no-calls for Tennessee. On balance Bama benefited more than UT did on the officiating calls. That is clear as day.

UT was called for more penalties in the first half than they average for whole games before that.

The Taylor PF was a load of horse crap and you know it. You have to be willfully blind to ignore it. That stuff happens every game, you have to WANT to throw that flag. It also kept a drive alive that Bama eventually scored on.

The play stoppage was so they could confirm the ball placement. On a play in scoring position when UT switched to the wildcat? Please.

The hold on Morris legit took a TD off the board. It was a holding call that flat did not happen anywhere on the field. Period.

Bama ties to the line judge responsible for a lot of these calls doesn't look good either.

Bama was going to win that game regardless, I really believe that. Nowhere have I said or will I say the official gifted Bama that game on their own. JG's fumble was costly and all on UT. But the score should be a lot closer than it says, which in this day means a lot for playoff hopes.

 

[bamawriter]

Happens every game? BS. That rundown was very thorough, and included missed calls and no-calls for Tennessee. On balance Bama benefited more than UT did on the officiating calls. That is clear as day.

Is it? Most of the stuff on the list looks like arguing certain calls shouldn't have been penalties. Sorry, but for the ticky tack call on Taylor, I disagree.

UT was called for more penalties in the first half than they average for whole games before that.

And? Which penalties were bad calls and why? Don't just post a list and say "these were bad calls." Explain why. Because I look at the vast majority of that list and say "give me a break."

The Taylor PF was a load of horse crap and you know it. You have to be willfully blind to ignore it. That stuff happens every game, you have to WANT to throw that flag. It also kept a drive alive that Bama eventually scored on.

Did he lay on Jones through the end of the play and after? Did he shove Jones on the way up? If he doesn't do either, does he get flagged?

The play stoppage was so they could confirm the ball placement. On a play in scoring position when UT switched to the wildcat? Please.

Was that why they stopped it? News to me. I thought they were looking at the play clock, given where the judge was pointing, but I have no idea there. But, that's the one instance where I have no problem saying "Yep, that one screwed UT."

The hold on Morris legit took a TD off the board. It was a holding call that flat did not happen anywhere on the field. Period.

Bull crap. Jordan grabbed his man by the jersey and pulled him to the ground. The official threw the flag right to where it happened.

Bama ties to the line judge responsible for a lot of these calls doesn't look good either.

Is this the conspiracy theory where the guy is biased because his brother-in-law attended Bama?

 

[rjd970]

Is it? Most of the stuff on the list looks like arguing certain calls shouldn't have been penalties. Sorry, but for the ticky tack call on Taylor, I disagree.



And? Which penalties were bad calls and why? Don't just post a list and say "these were bad calls." Explain why. Because I look at the vast majority of that list and say "give me a break."



Did he lay on Jones through the end of the play and after? Did he shove Jones on the way up? If he doesn't do either, does he get flagged?



Was that why they stopped it? News to me. I thought they were looking at the play clock, given where the judge was pointing, but I have no idea there. But, that's the one instance where I have no problem saying "Yep, that one screwed UT."



Bull crap. Jordan grabbed his man by the jersey and pulled him to the ground. The official threw the flag right to where it happened.



Is this the conspiracy theory where the guy is biased because his brother-in-law attended Bama?

I have addressed all this already, saying it again won't change anything. You can live in your fantasy denial, the rest of us can see the reality for what that game was. I live in Alabama and work with a lot of Bama fans. Even they say, yep, the JG fumble did you guys in, but UT got the screwjob most of that game from the officials and the score should have been closer. You are the first Bama fan I have encountered that has even tried to argue this.

 

[bamawriter]

Even they say, yep, the JG fumble did you guys in, but UT got the screwjob most of that game from the officials and the score should have been closer.

Sure they did.

 

[rjd970]

Sure they did.

They absolutely did. You are living in fantasy land colored in Crimson arguing some of those calls.

 

[LouderVol]

This narrative makes no sense. Wanna help Bama? Rule Moss out of bounds.

They couldnt cause he was pushed. Once it went to review by rule they couldnt

 

[bamawriter]

They couldnt cause he was pushed. Once it went to review by rule they couldnt

You're misunderstanding me:

Wanna help Bama? The ruling on the field is that he stepped out on his own. The pass is incomplete and can't be reviewed.

 

[bamawriter]

They absolutely did. You are living in fantasy land colored in Crimson arguing some of those calls.

Yep. I'm the only biased one in this conversation. You and every Bama fan you know (and it sure is unfortunate that none of them are party to this conversation) are totally untainted by rooting interest.

 

[rjd970]

Yep. I'm the only biased one in this conversation. You and every Bama fan you know (and it sure is unfortunate that none of them are party to this conversation) are totally untainted by rooting interest.

It is unfortunate. But I doubt even if it were so, you still wouldn't just admit you are not untainted by rooting interest either.

 

[bamawriter]

It is unfortunate. But I doubt even if it were so, you still wouldn't just admit you are not untainted by rooting interest either.

I never once claimed that I don't have a bias. But, between you and me, I'm the only one who has acknowledged even one call or decision that worked in my team's favor.

 

[rjd970]

I never once claimed that I don't have a bias. But, between you and me, I'm the only one who has acknowledged even one call or decision that worked in my team's favor.

I agreed with the rundown I posted, which acknowledges that very thing. Try again.

 

[bamawriter]

I agreed with the rundown I posted, which acknowledges that very thing. Try again.

The only instance where that's even remotely true was:

**Tennessee got away with 1 clear hold.

When? Which play? What was the result.

I gave a specific instance and acknowledged straight out that Tennessee got screwed.

And if you really agree with that entire rundown, you are the last person who ought to be throwing stones from the glass house of bias.

 

[VolGee4]

So we're going to ignore our star punt returner being injured by a facemask wherein his head was jerked past 90 degrees, and somehow, despite multiple officials having nothing else at which to look, it went uncalled.

Let's also ignore the play wherein Moss stepped out of bounds before catching the ball, and after review the ref gave no explanation beyond the confirmation. The conference released a statement saying that the ruling on the field was that Diggs pushed Moss out, thus making it legal for him to come back in bounds. The problem is that, if that was the ruling on the field, why no interference call? Heck, why no indication by the side judge that Moss was pushed out? And further, why go thru a lengthy review when such a ruling isn't reviewable?

The refs didn't cost Bama the game. But the suggestion that they were helping Bama is not even absurd, it's moronic.

Now you know how your opponents' fans feel every game they play Bama. It's absolutely astonishing the breaks that Bama gets.

 

[rjd970]

The only instance where that's even remotely true was:

**Tennessee got away with 1 clear hold.

When? Which play? What was the result.

I gave a specific instance and acknowledged straight out that Tennessee got screwed.

And if you really agree with that entire rundown, you are the last person who ought to be throwing stones from the glass house of bias.

Remotely true? It is true. There's one call.

I'm not going through all this again. All of that rundown is clear as day to almost everyone. There could be a few that can be reasonably argued, but on balance that game was not even close with officiating help. Tennessee had points taken off the board and Bama had drives kept alive. The play stoppage was big. The Taylor personal foul was complete BS despite what you say and any unbiased observer would agree. The holding call that negated a TD was crap (I'm going to look at Jordan "hold" tonight, because I didn't see **** when I watched it back several times). It just wasn't balanced at all and it has been covered to death. You are on here arguing bias and asking the same questions over and over to deflect. The officiating stunk to high heaven that game and one team clearly benefited more than the other.

 

[bamawriter]

The holding call that negated a TD was crap (I'm going to look at Jordan "hold" tonight, because I didn't see **** when I watched it back several times).

Then don't talk bias. He literally tackled the defender.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

I mean even the game announcers were scratching their heads at the refs in the Bama Tennessee game, these same officials were basically cheerleading Alabama.

Everyone who isn’t a die hard Bama fan knows Bama gets more help from the officials then anyone. You can call it sour grapes but it doesn’t negate the fact that it is true

 

[rjd970]

Then don't talk bias. He literally tackled the defender.

Lol. Got to be kidding me. Just re-watched it.

Go watch that again in slow motion and tell me that is what really happened.

That could be called on any play. The defender was pushed down, not tackled. Jordan had some jersey, but the amount he did have wasn’t why the defender couldn’t make the play, nor was it the reason he fell. The defender was extending to make the tackle and fell, then Jordan disengaged. That holding call could have been called on any OL on any play. Again, you can probably justify the holding call there, maybe, I’ll concede that, but you have to want to throw that flag.

 

[rjd970]

Re-watching that game is even more infuriating. Even the announcers are like wtf with some of those calls. At one point they even say well we are in Tuscaloosa is why that was called. Everyone saw what was happening. This isn’t just fan bias.

 

[mackievol]

I am curious, what is a star punter?