NCAA recognizes UCF's national championship in record book

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Eh, I say cool. Who cares. They beat an Auburn team that beat both teams that played for the NC and they beat everybody on their schedule, mostly in dominating fashion. Let hem have their fun.
 
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So now Frost is a National Championship coach...
And just to clarify...... Do we have 2 national champs?
 
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Other than Auburn (which was in a bowl game), UCF played only one P5 team, and it was 4-8 Maryland.

In this era of the playoff (and before that with a BCSNCG), isn't a "claimed title" a non-sequitur? I understanding claiming a title in the era where polls decided it, but there is a clear mechanism for determining the champion now.

Also, if you're gonna play the transitive property game (e.g., UCF beat the team that beat both the national champion and the runner-up), then don't you have to continue it and say that while that is true, Auburn also lost to Clemson (who lost to the national title winner) and LSU (who lost 4 games total, including a loss to Troy)? If you fully carry that out, it doesn't sound as impressive.
 
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rjd970 said:
Eh, I say cool. Who cares. They beat an Auburn team that beat both teams that played for the NC and they beat everybody on their schedule, mostly in dominating fashion. Let hem have their fun.
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Yeah but they were having their fun when they were proclaiming it. The NCAA recognizing it is pretty stupid IMO. Now apparently any team that goes undefeated and didn't make the playoff can just proclaim they are National Champions and the NCAA will say "You got it bro!"

Edit: Apparently UCF won some Colley-Matrix poll which is recognized by the NCAA, so I guess a team still has to do something, and apparently they still recognized other teams even in the BCS years. So it's still pretty useless.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Edit: Apparently UCF won some Colley-Matrix poll which is recognized by the NCAA, so I guess a team still has to do something, and apparently they still recognized other teams even in the BCS years. So it's still pretty useless.
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I'm a little confused by the NCAA's selective acknowledgement of the computer systems. They show the Colley Matrix for UCF in 2017, but not for Bama in 2016 or Notre Dame in 2012*. They've got Sagarin giving his title to FSU in '92, and USC in '02, but not Ohio State in '98.


*The Colley Matrix has selected someone other than the consensus champ 4 out of the last 7 years. One might reach the conclusion that his formula sucks.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm a little confused by the NCAA's selective acknowledgement of the computer systems. They show the Colley Matrix for UCF in 2017, but not for Bama in 2016 or Notre Dame in 2012*. They've got Sagarin giving his title to FSU in '92, and USC in '02, but not Ohio State in '98.


*The Colley Matrix has selected someone other than the consensus champ 4 out of the last 7 years. One might reach the conclusion that his formula sucks.
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Until we have a true playoff, it's all subjective and always has been. If UCF wants to claim a title, and some computer model says they are, then it is what it is. We just recognize the NCAA determined champion, but it isn't like this is all truly settled on the field.
 
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05_never_again said:
Other than Auburn (which was in a bowl game), UCF played only one P5 team, and it was 4-8 Maryland.

In this era of the playoff (and before that with a BCSNCG), isn't a "claimed title" a non-sequitur? I understanding claiming a title in the era where polls decided it, but there is a clear mechanism for determining the champion now.

Also, if you're gonna play the transitive property game (e.g., UCF beat the team that beat both the national champion and the runner-up), then don't you have to continue it and say that while that is true, Auburn also lost to Clemson (who lost to the national title winner) and LSU (who lost 4 games total, including a loss to Troy)? If you fully carry that out, it doesn't sound as impressive.
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So? They went undefeated, how many teams last year did that, P5 or otherwise? They beat who they played.

Do I think Bama/UGA/OK/Wisc would steamroll UCF? Sure. But the fact remains nobody knows for sure. On paper AU should have destroyed UCF.

None of this is objective and it is rarely settled on the field.
 
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05_never_again said:
This isn't the NFL. Not all teams/schedules are created equal.
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Correct, so my still stands, it’s all subjective. We can argue all we want but at the end of the day who the NCAA names as champion is just glorified opinion.
 
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bamawriter said:
The NCAA isn't really naming anyone as champion in FBS. They're simply compiling a list of selectors.
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Yep. Football is the only sport where the NCAA doesn't name a champion. Which is kind of counter-intuitive given that it is the biggest money maker and most popular sport, so you'd figure it is the sport where they would most want to name one.
 
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