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bleedingTNorange

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And let me start this by saying I really hope this doesn't start a huge fight....but it's something that has been bugging me for awhile...

Ok, so does the football team act like thugs/disrespectful/etc etc simply because of the numbers or is it the coach? The basketball team doesn't act this way, but I realize there's 100 on a football team and 15 on basketball, so you have a much larger crowd.

Where I'm coming from is this...my girlfriend works at calhouns on the river, as many of you know this is where many administrators, athletes etc come to eat. Well she had some football players come in (I'll leave out names)...they were leaned back in their chairs, feet on the table and cussing left and right. Families are all around their table and they didn't care at all...my gf would be at another table and they'd be screaming to her...they wanted her to get them drinks and food for free...just acting like a bunch of thugs. Then last night I'm somewhere on the strip, once again I'll leave out names and places, but let's just say these players were all starters and big time players...they try to come in the back door...my buddy pulls one aside and goes to talk to him in the back, turns out 3/4 of them aren't 21 and are trying to get their way in to this facility. When told they couldn't come in they became very aggravated and were cussing and just making a big deal...then when I go to leave a couple hours later...this same crew is hanging out up behind tin roof, cussing and throwing stuff once again just acting the way nobody should, especially UT athketes.

Now, on the flip side...I've seen the basketball players out, they act nothing like this. They come in calhouns and are respectable and act like human beings, you see them out places and they are acting the way that they should be...

So my question simply is...is the football team like that because of numbers, you have 100 kids so are you always gonna have a few bad ones? Or is it on the coach for recruiting them, or for not teaching them how to be men? Has Cuonzo taught the basketball team how to be men? These aren't all his recruits so I don't credit it to that, so has he just taught these young men how to be men?

Once again, l hope this doesn't turn into a fight, but it's been eating at me...just really caught me when she told me that about the football players...and it wast just that crew...the football players are dreaded there, they almost all act this way and it's such a negative act in a public place I just shake my head.
 
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My daddy would whoop my ass when I got out of line growing up. There's your answer...
 
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it's 100+ versus a dozen. Could you find a dozen players on the football team that don't act like idiots? Easily
 
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utvolpj said:
it's 100+ versus a dozen. Could you find a dozen players on the football team that don't act like idiots? Easily
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Which is what I said as well...however, since CCM has been here he has coached close to 20 guys, never heard a peep about one. Learning how to act in a public restaurant should be a pretty early lesson.

Once again, proud CCM is our coach.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which is what I said as well...however, since CCM has been here he has coached close to 20 guys, never heard a peep about one. Learning how to act in a public restaurant should be a pretty early lesson.

Once again, proud CCM is our coach.
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and you're so proud that you're trying to make him look good by comparing his few players to a couple of football idiots.

the coach to player ratio is also an important part.

if your girlfriend sees it again have her tell Tammy (I assume she's still the GM) to call the AD. It won't take long for it to be corrected
 
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Obviously with a larger number it's going to be harder to control. However, I do believe that it somewhat falls on the coaches for letting them get away with it(assuming they're aware of it, which I assume they are)
 
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So lemme get this straight...

College age kids treated like stars, worshiped by 100k fans aren't expected to get a bit of a sense of entitlement? These guys are just kids and oh by the way half of their underage friends are in the bars already. Granted its not an excuse to act like an Ass, but daily full grown adults do this with no basis over something just as menial
 
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utvolpj said:
and you're so proud that you're trying to make him look good by comparing his few players to a couple of football idiots.

the coach to player ratio is also an important part.

if your girlfriend sees it again have her tell Tammy (I assume she's still the GM) to call the AD. It won't take long for it to be corrected
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And it's not a few football idiots, I used to live by Tyler, I've seen probably 50 of them out over time, and over time have seen the bball team...the way they act is much different. I get the numbers are different which is why I plainly put it in my OP, is that the sole reason because there's more of them, or does it have something to do with coaching?

All of management is aware, they don't like them there either...they don't want to lose the business though is what I was told by someone else.
 
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Vol_fan_in_Tampa said:
So lemme get this straight...

College age kids treated like stars, worshiped by 100k fans aren't expected to get a bit of a sense of entitlement? These guys are just kids and oh by the way half of their underage friends are in the bars already. Granted its not an excuse to act like an Ass, but daily full grown adults do this with no basis over something just as menial
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The bar thing didn't bother me much...it was the acting like an idiot in a restaurant. You say grown adults do this? I've never seen a table of 5 grown men in calhouns with their feet on the table, cussing loudly, and harassing the server for free stuff.
 
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Well..people treat the football players like rockstars. Alot of them come from nothing to then a super star in a Pro-team-less city of knoxville.

Ran into Curt Maggit the day before the florida game. Nice coneversation, good respectable kid. Numbers have alot to do with it, but there are good kids on the football team
 
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What you have to realize, this isn't a Tennessee problem, it's a college football problem. Football players all across the country act this way. It's sad but its a reality we have to live with
 
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Hate to say it, but I have noticed this as well.

It's probably a bit of both.

I think one other big factor is the fact that the football players tend to be very cocky and bratty because they're on the football team. They know how crazy people are for football here, and they're going to act like they're the shizz. These guys are kids. You give them a high-profile status, and they will act stupidly. UT football players in Knoxville are analogous to celebrities in Hollywood. Don't we hear about a lot of stupid stuff celebrities do when they're out?
 
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And they better hope they don't make the mistake of coming into my restaurant acting like that. It would be a bad night for everyone.
 
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I think it is a pack mentality. I see it with high school kids, frat boys, and college athletes. The more of them you get together at once the more likely it is for a couple bad ones to influence the behavior of the rest. They feed off each other and justify their actions because they receive support from another in their group despite how stupid it may be. This is just human nature rather than the nature of UT football players.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which is what I said as well...however, since CCM has been here he has coached close to 20 guys, never heard a peep about one. Learning how to act in a public restaurant should be a pretty early lesson.

Once again, proud CCM is our coach.
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I think you are really really reaching to try and praise CCM.
 
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I'd second having the GM call the AD if it was an issue. Provide names...it will be nipped.


omghulkhands said:
I think it is a pack mentality. I see it with high school kids, frat boys, and college athletes. The more of them you get together at once the more likely it is for a couple bad ones to influence the behavior of the rest. They feed off each other and justify their actions because they receive support from another in their group despite how stupid it may be. This is just human nature rather than the nature of UT football players.
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A very, very good point. I've witnessed it at a dinner with about 20 guys on a business trip (regional and district reps all in town type situation), frat guys, the Knox Catholic football team, etc, etc.
 
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MockingVol said:
What you have to realize, this isn't a Tennessee problem, it's a college football problem. Football players all across the country act this way. It's sad but its a reality we have to live with
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Wus mentality?
Simple solution.
Have police or security escort them out and tell them to come back when they grow up.
Not really that difficult.
 
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Lot of it is the different of games. How many times you heard what said on football field vs basketball. Kids have to be much more controlled on BB court vs football. In football your trying to knock other person head off, in BB that's a foul. These kids are pushed to be so violent on field they have trouble off. That why VFL is so important to CDD to change some of that. I would think CCM would have more impact because of smaller numbers. Where CDD would need all the help he can get.
 
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I met Daniel Hood and some offensive linemen at the place I was managing a couple years ago. Hood was extremely polite, very considerate, and setting the example for the other guys as to how to act in that environment. 4 of the other guys seemed to be just having a good time and being young dudes. One guy might have been having fun but, it was at the expense of others around him (not me, because I would have told him to hit the bricks and he seemed to know that), at the expense of his teammates, and at the expense of the reputation of Tennessee football players. Hood finally told him to pipe down in a laid back, chill manner which seemed to work in the short term.

On the way out, Hood could tell I was eyeballing his boy, and made a point to lag behind and thank me for the advice I imparted.

I used to be neighbors with a former UT basketball player several years back before I moved to Chicago and, subsequently, returned to Tennessee. We actually became really good friends. I got to meet many of his teammates, spent a ton of time just going over their experience with their coach (not good, my friends, not good), and honestly hung out with him pretty much everyday for a while. He was working a good job, hustling on the camp circuit with some other former Vols, taking care of his own, and just living his life. Everyone of the guys I met was just fun as hell to hang with and totally down to talk about their time at UT. I didn't do a good job of keeping in touch when I moved but, I look back on that as an awesome experience, getting to know the guys I watched at TBA and on the TV and really learning that they are just down to earth, normal dudes who are looking to have families and success and lead lives of value after the lights are no longer shining on them 30 or so nights a year.

So, out of the all the guys I've dealt with, the majority, football and especially basketball, seem to diminish the negative stereotypes associated with Division 1 football and basketball players.
 
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