New minimum 2.3 core GPA in HS or else automatic "Academic Redshirt" starting in 2016

[Volunteer_Kirby]

After noticing the words “Academic Redshirt” on this graphic tweeted earlier today by a North Carolina assistant coach, I followed up to learn more. Interestingly, incoming freshmen in 2016 will be required to redshirt if their GPA, based on sixteen core courses, is below 2.3 upon graduating from high school.


The NCAA sliding scale is still in effect, though any player below the 2.3 GPA in their 16 core courses will not be able to participate in games during the first calendar year at college. All high school coaches and guidance counselors should communicate effectively this important message to their players if not done so already.


You can read about the 2016 D1 academic requirements right here.

Saw this today and thought the board might like to know. Sorry if it's already been posted.

Also found this stat:

The academic requirements for student athletes graduating in 2016 or later are going to be much higher than the current academic markers. If current high school athletes were required to meet the new academic standards, over 15% of incoming freshman would not be eligible (40% of basketball players and 35% of football players). This means if you are following the same courses as the athletes ahead of you, there is a chance you will not be eligible. Here is a summary of all of the new requirements.

• The new minimum GPA goes up from 2.0 to 2.3
• The GPA requirements on the sliding scale have gone up roughly .5. See the sliding scale for 2016 graduates at the bottom of this page.
• You must complete 10 of your 16 core course before your senior year of high school
• You will not be allowed to retake any of your 10 core courses before your senior year for a higher score.

Thoughts?

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

Saw this today and thought the board might like to know. Sorry if it's already been posted.

Also found this stat:

Thoughts?

Wow...interesting. Good info...thanks for sharing Kirby. I knew something like this was coming, but wasn't sure how they would do it. Some of these kids better start buckling down now...

 

[OddFuture]

So the kids with under 2.3 can still sign they will just have to RS a year? If so this drastically changes recruiting.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

So the kids with under 2.3 can still sign they will just have to RS a year? If so this drastically changes recruiting.

That's the way I understand it OF...and you're right it will drastically change recruiting if true.

 

[OddFuture]

That's the way I understand it OF...and you're right it will drastically change recruiting if true.

Yeah instead of shipping a kid like DJ Jones to East Miss CC we could have signed him. At the same time other teams would've probably pursued harder too.

I hope it's like that. It'd be a real risk. If kids can't get a 2.3 in HS then it'd be a big risk IMO to take them hoping they can turn it around in a year. A lot of kids would still go the JUCO 2-3 years 1 and done route though

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

Yeah instead of shipping a kid like DJ Jones to East Miss CC we could have signed him. At the same time other teams would've probably pursued harder too.

I hope it's like that. It'd be a real risk. If kids can't get a 2.3 in HS then it'd be a big risk IMO to take them hoping they can turn it around in a year. A lot of kids would still go the JUCO 2-3 years 1 and done route though

I agree...we would definitely see who staffs think are worth more of a risk now. I like the idea as well. It will get tricky though.

 

[BigZiti09]

This is so dumb. Just let the kids play.

Kinda crappy to change a rule when these kids just finished their sophomore year.

 

[Vols4us]

Thanks for the OP, Kirby.

I like it overall. Seriously, is it that hard to make a 2.3 or better in HS if you go to class and semi do the work? Do you want a player on your roster that does not do that? Right up front you know the person most likely is going to struggle to learn the sport's assignments while multi-tasking academic work with a personal life. Let's not make the exception the rule. The exception can sit out the year if the coaches want to take a shot or the person can go the juco route.

 

[kwebbvols2344]

I am glad they are raising it to a 2.3, even though I am sure some teachers will give the athletes good grades even if they are not deserved.

 

[Vol8188]

This is so dumb. Just let the kids play.

Kinda crappy to change a rule when these kids just finished their sophomore year.

It's not that dramatic of a change. You can easily increase your GPA from a 2.0 to a 2.3 in two years.

 

[VolSteve]

This is so dumb. Just let the kids play.

Kinda crappy to change a rule when these kids just finished their sophomore year.

I respectfully disagree. College was never supposed to be a place "for kids to play". Somehow over the years some have determined it is a right for kids to play football. I believe it is not a right but a privilege and that privilege should be earned, not given. The real goal of college is to prepare kids for life as an adult. Few will play in the big league so grades should be a priority. As much as I love college football it is still just a game. Besides, I do get tired of hearing football players being interviewed who can't speak recognizable English.

 

[92volalum]

I respectfully disagree. College was never supposed to be a place "for kids to play". Somehow over the years some have determined it is a right for kids to play football. I believe it is not a right but a privilege and that privilege should be earned, not given. The real goal of college is to prepare kids for life as an adult. Few will play in the big league so grades should be a priority. As much as I love college football it is still just a game. Besides, I do get tired of hearing football players being interviewed who can't speak recognizable English.

What's worse is when the say he has a 3.0 in sports management and then they interview them and you go like ..I know he is speaking to me but I don't understand a word he is saying. Lol

 

[tenntex67]

I respectfully disagree. College was never supposed to be a place "for kids to play". Somehow over the years some have determined it is a right for kids to play football. I believe it is not a right but a privilege and that privilege should be earned, not given. The real goal of college is to prepare kids for life as an adult. Few will play in the big league so grades should be a priority. As much as I love college football it is still just a game. Besides, I do get tired of hearing football players being interviewed who can't speak recognizable English.

You sir, are absolutely right!:salute:

 

[walkenvol]

"You will not be allowed to retake any of your 10 core courses before your senior year for a higher score. "

Bad rule IMO.

Lot's of potential reasons a student could have done poorly in a class beyond not trying such as health issue with them or family member, family moved mid term, conflict with or really poor teacher, and extended time away from school for a number of reasons.

Just because a student performed poorly in a class doesn't always mean they're unintelligent or not trying (usually does, just not always).

 

[fade route]

Man, this hurts. We depend on highly rated athletes that have no interest in getting an actual education.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Butch is big on academics. So majority of kids he prob doesn't recruit if they are this bad at school. They have to be of ELITE ability for him to continue to recruit.

He placed Jones and Justin Martin who have turned out to be highly recruited targets in Juco this year. He stayed on Bryant and set forth a plan to get him eligible and apparently did so. If you find them early enough then you can help the kids. Most of the time they just need someone to guide them and tell them look its not hopeless like these other people are telling you. If you do these things your right there

 

[volboy81]

I respectfully disagree. College was never supposed to be a place "for kids to play". Somehow over the years some have determined it is a right for kids to play football. I believe it is not a right but a privilege and that privilege should be earned, not given. The real goal of college is to prepare kids for life as an adult. Few will play in the big league so grades should be a priority. As much as I love college football it is still just a game. Besides, I do get tired of hearing football players being interviewed who can't speak recognizable English.

I agree! I think we all heard how stupid some players sound after the winning QB in the National Championship game this past year was interviewed! If you can't make a 2.3 in HS, I doubt you're getting through college.

 

[WarMachine]

With an "academic redshirt" we could have signed Jones, for example, but how many kids will we sign with a guarantee that they won't play while they take up a roster spot? Would it not still be better to sign a different player and send that academically challenged player to a JuCo? I know it would be riskier, but you also avoid tying up a scholarship if things don't work out... Does this make sense, or I'm I talking crazy?

 

[supersmo18]

This is so dumb. Just let the kids play.

Kinda crappy to change a rule when these kids just finished their sophomore year.

Doesn't matter when you change it, it's going to have an effect on everyone at some point.

On the other hand, it isn't that difficult to make a 2.3 in high school. Some kids just don't try hard enough or place enough value on their education. Maybe this will help that, provided the coaches and guidance counselors and PARENTS are supportive and encouraging of the student.

 

[BigZiti09]

Doesn't matter when you change it, it's going to have an effect on everyone at some point.

On the other hand, it isn't that difficult to make a 2.3 in high school. Some kids just don't try hard enough or place enough value on their education. Maybe this will help that, provided the coaches and guidance counselors and PARENTS are supportive and encouraging of the student.

Changing the requirements half way through the process doesn't matter?

What if you signed up to run a 50 yard dash and when you got 25 yards in, you were told to run 1 mile?

Maintaining a 2.3 GPA in core classes in High School shouldn't be that difficult. I get that. Still not right to change rules midway through the process. Should start this rule in 2018 IMO.

 

[005]

Nvm

 

[thomaseusin]

Sad to say, but you are in real need for athletics if you can't get a 2.3 in HS

 

[supersmo18]

Changing the requirements half way through the process doesn't matter?

What if you signed up to run a 50 yard dash and when you got 25 yards in, you were told to run 1 mile?

Maintaining a 2.3 GPA in core classes in High School shouldn't be that difficult. I get that. Still not right to change rules midway through the process. Should start this rule in 2018 IMO.

I get your point, but still, it's going to change for everyone at some point. I guess the only way to make that transition fair for everyone is to "prorate" the changes in a way, so that the people graduating in 2016 have less to comply with than say the 2017 class, and then the 2018 class has to do it all. That's the only way I see it being "fair" to everyone. BEsides, these kids still have two years to bring up their grades. If they're sitting below the mark at this point, then chances are they may have been very close to being an academic casualty anyway. Time for them to tighten up their bootstraps.

 

[roberthunter]

The academic redshirt only applies to students between 2.0 and 2.3 according to the UNC graphic.

It will not allow kids who previously had to enter JUCO to now sign.

 

[utknate]

Does this rule benefit high academic schools such as Vandy, Stanford, Duke, etc. Since they would already have all their players above this Or are their admisison standards for athletes on par with state universities?