New rivals player rankings are out

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#3
Chism didn't get a 5*, but he did move up to #34 so we have 3 in the top 35. O yeah, we also have the top 3 incoming players in the SEC.
 
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You guys are adding some beef up front. Would still like to see a really big man of at least 6'10" but there's time.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Apr 18 said:
You guys are adding some beef up front. Would still like to see a really big man of at least 6'10" but there's time.
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Your obsession with height is disconcerting.
 
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#6
Maybe he's just remembering Dwayne Schintzius' glory days and how important he was to all Florida's championships of the time.
 
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#7
(hatvol96 @ Apr 18 said:
Your obsession with height is disconcerting.
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I, like you UT fans, used to think that the formula for college basketball success was to sprint up and down the floor and press the entire game as though it was the last 30 seconds. Used to love the perimter game and knocking down 3's and really cool guard play, with tons of funky assists. Didn't particularly care for winning ugly, winning with bruising defense as opposed to flying up and down the floor.

And Florida obliged me for five years, managing to lose to the latter type of team come NCAA time. Like UT this year, Florida looked really good at times during the regular season, really athletic and in shape. But when it was time to step it up a notch, Florida could not play with the better teams because four guards does not work at that level.

My obsession with height may be disconcerting to you now. But after two more years of making the tournament and getting bounced because you don't have a super strong game in the pain, you UT fans will convert, too.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Apr 18 said:
I, like you UT fans, used to think that the formula for college basketball success was to sprint up and down the floor and press the entire game as though it was the last 30 seconds. Used to love the perimter game and knocking down 3's and really cool guard play, with tons of funky assists. Didn't particularly care for winning ugly, winning with bruising defense as opposed to flying up and down the floor.

And Florida obliged me for five years, managing to lose to the latter type of team come NCAA time. Like UT this year, Florida looked really good at times during the regular season, really athletic and in shape. But when it was time to step it up a notch, Florida could not play with the better teams because four guards does not work at that level.

My obsession with height may be disconcerting to you now. But after two more years of making the tournament and getting bounced because you don't have a super strong game in the pain, you UT fans will convert, too.
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i think we all know we need help in the middle....that's not in dispute, but, with who we have coming back and coming in, there's reason to believe, though there is no monster C position, the play in the paint will get better. If the guard play can be consistent, and we get any better inside, it's going to be a great year next year....

I think we all know, and knew, that if we were cold from the perimiter, we'd struggle. the losses we had proved that, and even in the wins against UF, and UK, you could still see it. We got around that for the bulk of the regular season by getting a lot of steals and easy buckets....
 
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I dont think height matters that much for duke crews. In due time you will see. He plays like he is 8 ft tall. I dont remember his line from the micheal jordan all american game but I do belive it was like 17 points 12 boards and 7 blocks. the kid is a beast.
 
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Lawgator, I agree that a strong inside presence is VERY important in terms of championships. But, I think you overestimate the importance of the 2 inches that separates a 6'10 guy from a 6'8 guy. There have been countless examples of very stong inside players in the NCAA that were not 6'10 or above. Give me Elton Brand or May and that is enough inside presence for me. Crews is 6'7 but has a 40' vertical and plays above the rim. And, Chism uses his strength, footwork, and intelligence to shut down 6'10 guys on the block. So, it is important to have a strong inside game but however it is not important to have the "token" 6'10 guy on the team.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Apr 18 said:
I, like you UT fans, used to think that the formula for college basketball success was to sprint up and down the floor and press the entire game as though it was the last 30 seconds. Used to love the perimter game and knocking down 3's and really cool guard play, with tons of funky assists. Didn't particularly care for winning ugly, winning with bruising defense as opposed to flying up and down the floor.

And Florida obliged me for five years, managing to lose to the latter type of team come NCAA time. Like UT this year, Florida looked really good at times during the regular season, really athletic and in shape. But when it was time to step it up a notch, Florida could not play with the better teams because four guards does not work at that level.

My obsession with height may be disconcerting to you now. But after two more years of making the tournament and getting bounced because you don't have a super strong game in the pain, you UT fans will convert, too.
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Look at your team this past year. I think you really only had one guy over 6'9 who played, and that was Noah. Noah isn't the prototypical big man. He's not a big bruiser down low. He's an extremely athletic player who can get up and down the floor. Noah is 6'11, but he could have been 6'8 or 6'9 and still have been the same type of impact player. I think Duke Crews will be alot like Noah in that he is able to get up and down the floor, block lots of shots, and play tough defense. Crews is obviously shorter than Noah is, but he plays like he is 7 foot.

Your other big man is Horford, who is about 6'9, the same height as Chism. The rest of your main players were guard/wing types. I guess you can count Richard, but he came off the bench.

What I'm trying to say is I don't see your point that you have to have several 6'10 centers to win championships. I agree that you need some big men. You have to have that. But they don't have to be the prototypical center. I think we will be fine next year as far as big men go:

Wingate - 6'10
Harris - 6'10
Childress - 6'9
Chism - 6'9
Crews - 6'7
 
#12
#12
your comparing crews to noah?? Thats not the right comparison. Crews plays alot and identically to tyrus thomas. Its freaky how similar their games are.
 
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(therickbol @ Apr 18 said:
Lawgator, I agree that a strong inside presence is VERY important in terms of championships. But, I think you overestimate the importance of the 2 inches that separates a 6'10 guy from a 6'8 guy. There have been countless examples of very stong inside players in the NCAA that were not 6'10 or above. Give me Elton Brand or May and that is enough inside presence for me. Crews is 6'7 but has a 40' vertical and plays above the rim. And, Chism uses his strength, footwork, and intelligence to shut down 6'10 guys on the block. So, it is important to have a strong inside game but however it is not important to have the "token" 6'10 guy on the team.
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I agree with that. It is a combination of size and strength. And it would be arbitrary to say that 6'10" is tall enough, but 6'8" is not. Have to see how that combination works for that player in that system. And I guess part of it is the issue of the the system. For the longest time, Donovan's system seemed to depend on multpile guard sets, the press, and shooting from the 3-point line. Its not just a question of big men, its a question of having a team with enough different complexities to it (that the players can run) that when it should use one set of plays it can but can also use another approach when appropriate.

That was the strength of Florida this year come tournament time. They really benefited by being so multi-dimensional on both offense and defense. UT, with a bit less talent and depth, didn't have a bunch of different looks to give teams and was a little less able to adjust to the competition. As Pearl recruits better players and has different scoring options, that will change.


 
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When these players are ranked, what criteria do the rank them by? Some are guards, some are forwards....how do they decide Ramar Smith is a #20 rank?
 
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(dan4vols @ Apr 18 said:
When these players are ranked, what criteria do the rank them by? Some are guards, some are forwards....how do they decide Ramar Smith is a #20 rank?
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Largely if not entirely subjective. Gives people something to chew on, though. Ergo this thread.
 
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(vols2345 @ Apr 18 said:
your comparing crews to noah?? Thats not the right comparison. Crews plays alot and identically to tyrus thomas. Its freaky how similar their games are.
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I'm only comparing them for the sake of this thread. I'm not actually saying Crews is the exact same type of player as Noah. I'm saying that they are similar in that they can both run the floor, are very athletic, and would not necessarily matter if they are 6'7 or 6'11.

In other words, if Noah was 6'7 he would still be a great player.
 
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