New rule unfavorable to our offense

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I just heard about this a couple hours ago on the Doug Matthews show. He had a guest on that I missed the intro of, but it sounded like he was a football official for the SEC. He was talking about a new rule for this year where if an offensive player goes out of bounds by the bench on his team’s side of the field, the officials will stop the game to allow the defense to substitute. He then said that the teams in the conference that like to go up-tempo - it sounded like he wanted to name us but he stopped short of it, it really sounded like he was relishing this new rule and how it would affect us, sounded like he was smirking - would avoid running plays on their side of the field because of this rule. Am I missing something or did Kirby/Nick slip one by on us and successfully get the league to do away with our offensive scheme, which obviously relies on utilizing the entire field? If this rule does what I think it does, UT needs to sue the league for collusion, unfair trade practice, bad faith, unequal representation, and anything else they can think of (I‘m not a lawyer and have no doubt there’s a more pertinent law that covers this). And the officials that legislated this should be prosecuted for racketeering and banned for life.

Hopefully I misunderstood, but it sounded really bad.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
I just heard about this a couple hours ago on the Doug Matthews show. He had a guest on that I missed the intro of, but it sounded like he was a football official for the SEC. He was talking about a new rule for this year where if an offensive player goes out of bounds by the bench on his team’s side of the field, the officials will stop the game to allow the defense to substitute. He then said that the teams in the conference that like to go up-tempo - it sounded like he wanted to name us but he stopped short of it, it really sounded like he was relishing this new rule and how it would affect us, sounded like he was smirking - would avoid running plays on their side of the field because of this rule. Am I missing something or did Kirby/Nick slip one by on us and successfully get the league to do away with our offensive scheme, which obviously relies on utilizing the entire field? If this rule does what I think it does, UT needs to sue the league for collusion, unfair trade practice, bad faith, unequal representation, and anything else they can think of (I‘m not a lawyer and have no doubt there’s a more pertinent law that covers this). And the officials that legislated this should be prosecuted for racketeering and banned for life.

Hopefully I misunderstood, but it sounded really bad.
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To the sideline or into the designated bench area that does not include the big white sideline area where you get interference calls. Did it address being forced out vs voluntary? I can see it if you run out looking like a sub move. Wonder if it includes immediate return language.

First I heard of this one.
 
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SpookyAction said:
Are you too timid to advocate for tar and feathers?

Seriously, I'll keep my powder dry to learn more about this.
I say don't freak out yet.
It seems awfully close to the season to introduce a significant change in substitution rules. This type of rule will require a lot of focus during practices.
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I can’t find anything about this rule anywhere.only thing I can find about clock is the continued running after gaining a first down except for during the last 2 minutes of each half. And no longer allowed to call 2 consecutive time outs.
 
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The guest's name was Tom Ritter. I looked him up just now and he's a former SEC official; one of the first Google results is a change.org petition calling for him to be banned from the league for his officiating. So it's definitely a rule, one that just got implemented. They didn't say anything about being forced about versus going out voluntarily. The thing that jumped out to me was when he said that teams that like to run tempo would be avoiding their bench side of the field because of this rule.
 
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Rule is probably in response to our sneaky way of getting a new WR sub into the game. Someone...Kirby I think....noticed we did that on film and alerted the refs to it. Guess that and the hash mark relocation talk are ways to try and slow is down.
 
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If they are gonna do this “no clock stop on first down,” then they should add fifteen minutes to each half and make a game 90 minutes long like soccer. This is just stupid. I can’t believe how fast that quarter went.

If they aren’t careful, they are gonna make this like nascar and lose the whole thing.

Feels like legal insurance reasons in play trying to shorten the game to shorten the liability- the less plays, the less opportunities for severe injuries and lawsuits…
 
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They want to speed the games up because when we go to the 12 team playoff next year there’s going to be 16 games. If they don’t do something about the length of the games, there’s going to be attrition where none of the starters at the first of the year, play at the end of the year. Everyone will be broken or too bruised.
 
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Hulavol said:
If they are gonna do this “no clock stop on first down,” then they should add fifteen minutes to each half and make a game 90 minutes long like soccer. This is just stupid. I can’t believe how fast that quarter went.

If they aren’t careful, they are gonna make this like nascar and lose the whole thing.

Feels like legal insurance reasons in play trying to shorten the game to shorten the liability- the less plays, the less opportunities for severe injuries and lawsuits…
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There's no reason a college game can take 4.5 hours or longer and NFL game takes 3. The games are too long.
 
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Hulavol said:
If they are gonna do this “no clock stop on first down,” then they should add fifteen minutes to each half and make a game 90 minutes long like soccer. This is just stupid. I can’t believe how fast that quarter went.

If they aren’t careful, they are gonna make this like nascar and lose the whole thing.

Feels like legal insurance reasons in play trying to shorten the game to shorten the liability- the less plays, the less opportunities for severe injuries and lawsuits…
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Overreact much?
 
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Manchester Vol said:
They want to speed the games up because when we go to the 12 team playoff next year there’s going to be 16 games. If they don’t do something about the length of the games, there’s going to be attrition where none of the starters at the first of the year, play at the end of the year. Everyone will be broken or too bruised.
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i don't like the 12 team NUMBER. It would not take any more time to have the top four seeds ALSO play on the same days against the next 4 seeds. Why do they get a day off and gain further advantage of recovery and elimination of injury potential?
 
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First things first, everyone ( except Navy🤣) is throwing the ball all over the field..Even little Nicky.
If the game is shortened it just means we will smoke teams by 30 instead of 40.
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GUNTERSVOL said:
i don't like the 12 team NUMBER. It would not take any more time to have the top four seeds ALSO play on the same days against the next 4 seeds. Why do they get a day off and gain further advantage of recovery and elimination of injury potential?
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Because we still want to reward a really good regular season in this sport?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
i don't like the 12 team NUMBER. It would not take any more time to have the top four seeds ALSO play on the same days against the next 4 seeds. Why do they get a day off and gain further advantage of recovery and elimination of injury potential?
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That’s how it works in every sport… I you perform better, you’re rewarded for your effort. That is why all the teams will be competing to be one of the top 4 to get that bye. Much like in the NFL, teams want to have the best record in their conference so they receive the first round bye.

Of course, the week off can be helpful, but can also be harmful. There are plenty of nfl teams that had first round byes that went on to lose when they finally returned to the field.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
The guest's name was Tom Ritter. I looked him up just now and he's a former SEC official; one of the first Google results is a change.org petition calling for him to be banned from the league for his officiating. So it's definitely a rule, one that just got implemented. They didn't say anything about being forced about versus going out voluntarily. The thing that jumped out to me was when he said that teams that like to run tempo would be avoiding their bench side of the field because of this rule.
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I downloaded the 23' rulebook and checked out the Rules Changes, Points of Emphasis,, and Editorial Changes sections and did not find it. Maybe some new bizarre interpretation of 9-2-2 if you leave the field of play even as part of normal game action... see below.

Unfair Tactics ARTICLE 2. a. No player shall conceal the ball in or beneath their clothing or equipment or substitute any other article for the ball. b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-VI).
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I downloaded the 23' rulebook and checked out the Rules Changes, Points of Emphasis,, and Editorial Changes sections and did not find it. Maybe some new bizarre interpretation of 9-2-2 if you leave the field of play even as part of normal game action... see below.

Unfair Tactics ARTICLE 2. a. No player shall conceal the ball in or beneath their clothing or equipment or substitute any other article for the ball. b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-VI).
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So you can’t walk down the sideline as if you’re going to the bench and jump in, you have to clearly be returning to the formation?
 
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lifeisdeep said:
The guest's name was Tom Ritter. I looked him up just now and he's a former SEC official; one of the first Google results is a change.org petition calling for him to be banned from the league for his officiating. So it's definitely a rule, one that just got implemented. They didn't say anything about being forced about versus going out voluntarily. The thing that jumped out to me was when he said that teams that like to run tempo would be avoiding their bench side of the field because of this rule.
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Ritter, eh?

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Hulavol said:
If they are gonna do this “no clock stop on first down,” then they should add fifteen minutes to each half and make a game 90 minutes long like soccer. This is just stupid. I can’t believe how fast that quarter went.

If they aren’t careful, they are gonna make this like nascar and lose the whole thing.

Feels like legal insurance reasons in play trying to shorten the game to shorten the liability- the less plays, the less opportunities for severe injuries and lawsuits…
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The NFL hasn’t stopped the clock on first downs for a very long time. I have wanted this rule change for years. I’m glad they finally changed it. I wish they still didn’t stop the clock even inside 2 minutes of each half.
 
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kckempf said:
So you can’t walk down the sideline as if you’re going to the bench and jump in, you have to clearly be returning to the formation?
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Yeah. And you can’t hot swap players while you’re near your own sideline so that your opponent (or the refs) doesn’t realize you subbed.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
The NFL hasn’t stopped the clock on first downs for a very long time. I have wanted this rule change for years. I’m glad they finally changed it. I wish they still didn’t stop the clock even inside 2 minutes of each half.
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Why?
 
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